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08-15-07, 12:19
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Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 247 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
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08-15-07, 08:30
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Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 3,343 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
DavidB,
Could you compare the swirl removal capabilities of Paint Prep Plus to the Sonus polishes? Is it comparable in cut to SFX-2?
Thanks,
Tort
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08-15-07, 08:43
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Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Autopia... Where else! Posts: 6,421 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
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Originally Posted by TortoiseAWD Could you compare the swirl removal capabilities of Paint Prep Plus to the Sonus polishes? Is it comparable in cut to SFX-2?
Tort | Tort, the PPP polish really relies on the pad to determine how much cut it has or does not have. Using the UDM DAS ScratchBuster pad, the PPP polish will go after swirls and fine scratches and polish out 100% clear in a single step. When used with a light polishing pad, PPP is as gentle as a lamb. Sonus SFX-2 does not have the same range of use.
We're working on an advanced swirl removal polish for the Ultima line that will have more cut (a lot more) than PPP, but will still polish out 100% clear.
When you use PPP, you will also notice that it does not go to powder (or if it does, it takes a long, long time!). This is due to the Polycharger sealant base. This is the reason some people have a tough time wiping the film off. If you stop buffing with a heavy polish film remaining, and you allow it to haze, the Polycharger starts to set and gets pretty hard. You need to buff to a fine film or wipe it off while it's still wet.
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08-15-07, 09:13
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Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 3,343 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
DB,
Thanks for the info. God seems to have moved his heat gun away from Omaha for this weekend, so I'm looking forward to doing a full Ultima detail on one of the family's cars.
Tort
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08-15-07, 10:06
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Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Autopia... Where else! Posts: 6,421 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
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Originally Posted by TortoiseAWD ...I'm looking forward to doing a full Ultima detail on one of the family's cars. | I want proof... take pics!!! 
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08-15-07, 01:19
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Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 3,343 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
I'll try . . . it's probably going to be Cindi's Forester or her mom's Voyager, both with light metallics for paint. I'll take pics, but no guarantees on my skill with the camera.
The following weekend (25th) I have another '69 Camaro restoration lined up. The last one was black, this one is red, and I've already convinced the shop to let me use Ultima. I love working for these guys (two brothers and dad) . . . their shop has A/C and a lift, and they treat me like royalty when I'm there. It's good to be da king. 
Tort
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08-15-07, 02:05
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Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 3,310 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
Souveran and P21S blow all the EG's away? I don't know if I've ever heard that before from anyone. Oh well, to each their own.
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08-15-07, 07:10
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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,660 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
How PGP looks and feels will be very subjective. People are loyal to brands and they see what they want to see and feel what they want to feel. What I can tell you is that, to my eye, PGP is much slicker and offers a deeper, wetter-looking finish that Zaino CS or Z-2 PRO.
I'm assuming that when you tested against Zaino that you used ZFX with the Z2pro. The pics I've seen of Ultima look good but in my experience after hitting my car with a rotary and a wool pad it's the polishing that really brings the paint to life and the sealant is just frosting on the cake.
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08-15-07, 07:16
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Originally Posted by DavidB Ultima Paint Guard Wash is also a new technology. | David, can PGW be uses as an "ONR"? If yes what dilution ratio you would recommend trying? Or it needs a rinse, period? | |
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08-15-07, 07:51
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Originally Posted by Picus Souveran and P21S blow all the EG's away? I don't know if I've ever heard that before from anyone. Oh well, to each their own. | Nevermind, I misread. | |
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08-15-07, 10:05
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Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Autopia... Where else! Posts: 6,421 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
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Originally Posted by wannafbody I'm assuming that when you tested against Zaino that you used ZFX with the Z2pro. The pics I've seen of Ultima look good but in my experience after hitting my car with a rotary and a wool pad it's the polishing that really brings the paint to life and the sealant is just frosting on the cake. | 100% true. That's why our prep step is a polish. PPP puts one hell of a shine on any finish.
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09-19-07, 11:57
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Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 127 | Re: Comparison of Ultima to Souveran?
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Originally Posted by ZoranC David, can PGW be uses as an "ONR"? If yes what dilution ratio you would recommend trying? Or it needs a rinse, period? | Or can ONR be used prior to the Ultima system (without the wash, of course!)?
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