Ultima Paint Care Challenge - Page 2

awahl63 · 07-31-07, 10:04

My 94 Jeep Cherokee would be perfect for the test. I just don't know if I'll find time to get to it this season...

RCBuddha · 07-31-07, 10:09

David,

I forgot to ask: Did you also want a durability test of Ultima vs. the other product? If so, do you want a third party wash product to be used?

DavidB · 07-31-07, 10:13

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Originally Posted by RCBuddha

David,

I forgot to ask: Did you also want a durability test of Ultima vs. the other product? If so, do you want a third party wash product to be used?

Sure! Wait 48 hours and wash with straight Dawn on the wash mitt. Ultima can handle it!

CharmTDI · 08-01-07, 12:58

My brother and I want to do the Ultima Challenge. I don't expect myself to ask for a refund as I am already happy with this product for convenience alone.

My brother isn't so easy to convince. He used to be pro some years back and he swears up and down on the Mother's 3-stage line.

He wants to take photo's comparing Ultima PPP vs Mothers stage 1 (cleaner).
next photo would be Ultima PGP vs. Mothers stage 2 (sealant/glaze).
and the next would be Ultima PGP that was already applied VS Mother stage 3 (carnuba).

Are you up to the challenge for this one? I know mother's isnt too popular here, but it has it's place in the mainstream. Like I said, I dont expect it to win, I am just looking for 'time to apply' and paint restoration and gloss.

Because I know I want Ultima PGP on this car at the end of the day can I just spray the Ultima PGP over top of the Mother's mess. I know Ultima should eat through most sealants and waxes that are not hard or polymer based.
Can you confirm this happening in a photo?

DavidB · 08-01-07, 05:27

Bring on any challenge you want. Just make sure you treat both products the same... if you apply Mothers polish by hand, you need to apply Ultima PPP by hand. Use the recommended applicators for each product. Use clean towels with each.

Yes, Ultima will disolve most wax products. However, it is best to remove other products properly by washing with Dawn or polishing with Ultima PPP. If you allo Ultima to disolve the product on the surface, there is chance of streaking and smearing.

WaxManRonnie · 08-06-07, 07:21

Let me get this straight:
You apply it and leave it? I'm a little confused about that.
It reminds me of that stuff that came out years & years ago. You had to apply it with a
sponge in a back and forth motion. Then the only way to get it off was
mineral spirits. But this isn't the traditional apply wait till it hazes
and wipe off?

DoubleT · 08-06-07, 10:48

With the Paint Guard Plus (PGP), you just spray a light mist on a microfiber applicator and rub it on. It looks oily for just a second and then it disappears. There's no buffing required.

The Paint Prep Plus (PPP) does require that you remove it after application (and quickly!).

RCBuddha · 08-06-07, 06:03

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Originally Posted by DavidB

Sure! Wait 48 hours and wash with straight Dawn on the wash mitt. Ultima can handle it!

Sounds good. At what ratio should I dilute the Dawn at? 1oz / gallon perhaps?

DavidB · 08-06-07, 06:49

1 oz. per gallon is fine. That's more than enough to kill 99% of the waxes and sealants out there.

porta · 08-07-07, 03:25

DavidB: Will PGP protect against a heavy alkalie with PH12-14? I can do some testing against some sealants that I have in my possession. If some of the others protects better, will I get my money back from the PGP that I bought?

fishbonezken · 08-07-07, 06:52

DavidB,
in your opinion, how many days can Ultima Paint Prep+ protect a paint from dirt being bonded to the paint which will require a paint cleaner to remove. Especially in a tropical weather where the car sees a lot of rain and a lot of sun at the same time (which will accelerate acid rain etching). How long can PGP prevent dirt from bonding under these conditions, and how good is it at preventing acid rain etching?

I would love to try this highly regarded product in the future! thanks

DavidB · 08-07-07, 08:40

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Originally Posted by fishbonezken

DavidB,
in your opinion, how many days can Ultima Paint Prep+ protect a paint from dirt being bonded to the paint which will require a paint cleaner to remove. Especially in a tropical weather where the car sees a lot of rain and a lot of sun at the same time (which will accelerate acid rain etching). How long can PGP prevent dirt from bonding under these conditions, and how good is it at preventing acid rain etching?

I would love to try this highly regarded product in the future! thanks

The best way to understand Ultima Paint Guard Plus protection is to understand the technology.

The polymers form a film thickness about 100 nm in depth. The cross-linked molecule size is much smaller. That means any substance that wants to get through it has to be much smaller. For most liquids, getting through is like trying to thow a basketball through a chain link fence. It's not going to get through.

This is why washing with Dawn dishwashing liquid has little to no impact on our coating, but it completely removes other sealants. The detergent molecules are simply too big to break through. Over time and a dozen or more washes, the detergent hammers away at the coating enough that it significantly dulls it and it looses its slickness.

The question of paint etching has a lot to do with how long you leave an acid or an alkaline on the finish of your car. If you leave it on long enough, it will etch. If you care for your car finish regularly, you won't have a problem.

In terms of bonding, all I can say is that depends on what it is. One of the Ultima partners, Sam, drives state-to-state on a regular basis. When he gets back to South Florida, after a week or more on the road, his truck is covered in insects. The dried on bug slot washes off with little effort and the finish is still slick as can be.