BF Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection Sealant over BF GEP ?

Perm · 02-05-07, 09:14

Hi,

I am very interested in this new and exciting development….I use BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection Sealant over Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish (GEP) which is essentially a glaze.

Now this is a great looking combination however the longevity of BF sealant is compromised as it applied over a GEP.

Now should a Polycharged BF sealant bond better to the GEP glazed surface and hence last longer ???

Thanks

Perm

nonsensez9 · 02-14-07, 03:52

I too, like this combination. My question is... does PolyCharger accelerate the curing time? BlackFire recommends 24 hour curing before applying a second coat. By the time 24 hours has passed, so too has passed my desire and time to apply a second coat.

DavidB · 02-14-07, 06:22

First, GEP is not really a glaze; it is a paint cleaner with a silicone for adding shine and a silky-smooth finish. I have experimented with adding Polycharger directly to GEP and it works, but tends to thicken it so it is not quite as easy to apply. When applied by machine, it worked very well.

As to cure time and better bonding, I did not do enough experimenting to know how well it improves bonding. One thing I did notice is that I could apply GEP to the whole car by machine, not buff of the residue, then go over it with WD and it buffed out to a very nice finish. IMHO, a second coat of WD was not necessary.

db

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Originally Posted by Perm

Hi,

I am very interested in this new and exciting development….I use BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection Sealant over Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish (GEP) which is essentially a glaze.

Now this is a great looking combination however the longevity of BF sealant is compromised as it applied over a GEP.

Now should a Polycharged BF sealant bond better to the GEP glazed surface and hence last longer ???

Thanks

Perm

DieselMDX · 02-14-07, 06:27

David does having silicone in a product bad for the paint/lsp?

How would you compare GEP to a straight glaze?

I read in another thread by you that you are planning to make a megs 21 kit, when will it be ready?

thanx

nonsensez9 · 02-14-07, 09:47

I meant to ask if it accelerates the curing time of the BF Wet Diamond sealant.

DavidB · 02-15-07, 09:05

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Originally Posted by DieselMDX

David does having silicone in a product bad for the paint/lsp?
How would you compare GEP to a straight glaze?

No. Many polishes have silicones. The silicones are bad for paint shops, not the car.

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Originally Posted by DieselMDX

How would you compare GEP to a straight glaze?

First of all, let's get something straight, a true glaze is designed to be an LSP. The word glaze means gloss or shine. Think of it as a wax without protection. GEP may leave a paint finish looking like it was treated with a glaze, but that is not its intended purpose. It's purpose is to polish and clean. This product is very comparable to my Pre-wax Paint Cleaner Polish & Swirl Mark Remover and P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion Car Polish. They are all designed to do the same job.

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Originally Posted by DieselMDX

I read in another thread by you that you are planning to make a megs 21 kit, when will it be ready?

I have the products on order. I have not been able to keep #21 on the shelf. Demand has been much higher than I expected. So, my best guess is that I will have all of the products to manufacture the kits in two weeks. You may see the kit details as soon as next week.

DavidB · 02-15-07, 09:06

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Originally Posted by nonsensez9

I meant to ask if it accelerates the curing time of the BF Wet Diamond sealant.

YES! It works very well with this sealant.

DieselMDX · 02-15-07, 10:10

thanx for the reply David!

nonsensez9 · 02-15-07, 12:50

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Originally Posted by DavidB

YES! It works very well with this sealant.

thanks. I always prefer to do two (occasionally 3) coats simply because I know that there will be a spot or two that I've missed the first time 'round. I just don't like waiting 24 hours for the sealant to cure before applying the 2nd coat.

Perm · 02-15-07, 04:47

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Originally Posted by nonsensez9

thanks. I always prefer to do two (occasionally 3) coats simply because I know that there will be a spot or two that I've missed the first time 'round. I just don't like waiting 24 hours for the sealant to cure before applying the 2nd coat.

Hi,
still not sure of the answer....

So does polycharged BF sealant allow for multiple layers to be applied or do you still have to wait 24 hours between layers ?

Thanks

Perm

docker · 02-16-07, 08:07

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Originally Posted by Perm

Hi,
still not sure of the answer....

So does polycharged BF sealant allow for multiple layers to be applied or do you still have to wait 24 hours between layers ?

Thanks

Perm

Perm... BF typically does not need more than 12 hours cure time, per properautocare, instead of a typical 24 hours for a sealant.

Perm · 02-18-07, 03:20

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Originally Posted by docker

Perm... BF typically does not need more than 12 hours cure time, per properautocare, instead of a typical 24 hours for a sealant.

Ok.... however my question still stands.... with 24 hours being replaced with 12.....
So does polycharged BF sealant allow for multiple layers to be applied or do you still have to wait 12 hours between layers ?

Cheers

Perm