Appearance only forum ( durability not allowed ;) )

blkZ28Conv · 02-10-04, 03:32

Would anyone be interested in a Forum for just appearance.
After the NXT experiences over the last few weeks, there seems to be two camps of protectant users. Beautification with zero regard for durability and durability with less regard for the ultimate appearance.
There are Autopians like myself that only care about appearance and the achieving that goal. 4 months of protection is not only unnecessary but also unbearable since I enjoy detailing my vehicles. Extremely relaxing and calming after dealing with patients all day.

Simple poll

Yes, I would like to discuss "appearance" detailing with no concern about durability.

No, I have no interest.

Scottwax · 02-10-04, 03:59

Sure, why not? Detailing means different things to different people. Might as well address every niche.

Frank F. · 02-10-04, 04:01

Yes, I would like to discuss appearance without regard for durability. I enjoy detailing my car weekly.

Jngrbrdman · 02-10-04, 04:09

I dunno... I would still like to know how durable the product is on top of how good it looks. Why not just discuss both pieces of information at the same time? Anyway, why discriminate? Why not have a forum for durability and another forum for appearance? Or better yet, why not have a forum that discusses both at the same time. ....oh, wait. We already have that.

My bad.

tnoy66 · 02-10-04, 04:12

Wouldn't we need a durability forum as well then, to balance it out?

Poor David's probably reading this and thinking 'oh no'

EDIT......I kinda got beaten to the post........again, must learn to type quicker

bretfraz · 02-10-04, 04:17

I don't like this idea.

1. The community doesn't need a special forum with a discussion topic this narrow. If you want to talk to others about appearance, start a thread in "Detailing". That will accomplish the same thing.

2. Appearance is very subjective. Its extremely difficult to develop some kind of sensible parameters that determine appearance factors only. So this discussion can quickly degrade to personal debates and away from product capability. IOW, this becomes a flame war that needs almost constant moderation. Do we need a special forum where people can bicker about what looks good?

3. What if I want a dedicated forum for Durability Only? Or Ease Of Use? Or Aroma And Texture? And what about interior products, wheel and tire products, glass cleaners, etc? Shouldn't they have their own forums? I mean, if were gonna discriminate, why not go all the way?

The community needs less divisiveness. Appearance is only one factor in car care products, albeit an important one. We can and should discuss it in our existing forums.

Your Honor, I rest my case.

blkZ28Conv · 02-10-04, 04:24

This could possibly be a forum where autopians can discuss experiment combinations of products (polishes, sealant/carnauba combos, LSP, etc) without being tangented by durability concerns because these test do not make "cross-linking" oil/water/silicone adhering sense. More of a fun discussion without concerns of popularity of product, hyping of products, availability or cost of product per waxing. Just plan old detailing fun. If the experimental combo only last one wash, one dewy morning, who cares.

Mosca · 02-10-04, 04:37

I dunno. I'm an appearance guy and I still vote "no". I think that there aren't enough people using another feature of Autopia, the reviews, where they can state their opinion of appearance and discount durability, or v-v.

I think that even when we disagree, we're still on the same team; it's clubhouse argument stuff, not team vs. team stuff. The NXT saturation right now is like one guy telling another guy to turn down the country music. I'm OK with that; I might only turn down the music a little bit, but I'll do it, and the other guy might want it turned OFF, but he'll settle for down... and eventually we'll find another station, and maybe we'll BOTH like that one. Preferences will ebb and flow. It's over time, it's Tegwar. (Anyone know the reference?)

Tom

BradE · 02-10-04, 05:03

Quote:

Originally posted by bretfraz
I don't like this idea.

1. The community doesn't need a special forum with a discussion topic this narrow. If you want to talk to others about appearance, start a thread in "Detailing". That will accomplish the same thing.

2. Appearance is very subjective. Its extremely difficult to develop some kind of sensible parameters that determine appearance factors only. So this discussion can quickly degrade to personal debates and away from product capability. IOW, this becomes a flame war that needs almost constant moderation. Do we need a special forum where people can bicker about what looks good?

3. What if I want a dedicated forum for Durability Only? Or Ease Of Use? Or Aroma And Texture? And what about interior products, wheel and tire products, glass cleaners, etc? Shouldn't they have their own forums? I mean, if were gonna discriminate, why not go all the way?

The community needs less divisiveness. Appearance is only one factor in car care products, albeit an important one. We can and should discuss it in our existing forums.

Your Honor, I rest my case.

Agree 100%.

Jngrbrdman · 02-10-04, 05:04

If the 'No's are the ones posting, then why are the 'Yes's winning the poll?

Such great logic for not doing it. I'd love to hear ideas in support of it.

Shiny Lil Detlr · 02-10-04, 06:59

I voted yes, though I'm regretting it the more I think about it (and having read Bret's argument) - there are already a dozen or more separate sub-forums which barely get used because people either don't know they exist, or don't bother to wander anyplace other than "detailing" or the "university." In order to make the information most available and relevant, it can be easily grouped in with one of the existing forums.

Scottwax · 02-10-04, 07:21

Quote:

Originally posted by blkZ28Conv
This could possibly be a forum where autopians can discuss experiment combinations of products (polishes, sealant/carnauba combos, LSP, etc) without being tangented by durability concerns because their test does make "cross-linking" oil/water/silicone adhering sense. More of a fun discussion without concerns of popularity of product, hyping of products, availability or cost of product per waxing. Just plan old detailing fun. If the experimental combo only last one wash, one dewy morning, who cares.

This seems like a better idea, an experiment corner! Like mad scientists, we can mix and match to our hearts content.