Since The Two Towers is out: Who would win in a fight?

Intel486 · 01-02-03, 11:36

Since The Two Towers and the 2nd Harry Potter movie is out we better start another one of these threads.

The original is between Harry Potter and Frodo: Who would win in a fight to the death?

Now we Have Gandalf the White from LOTRs and Albus Dumbledore from Harry Potter

BoxsterCharlie · 01-02-03, 12:36

You got to be kidding...

Dumbledore would be a good match for Gandalf the Gray, but c'mon, after Gandalf killed the Balrog and turned white, not even close!

Cool Poll

Jngrbrdman · 01-02-03, 12:43

I'd put my money on Gandalf any day of the week. Dumbledore might live through the first assault, but he'd never get one off of his own. Anyone who could take down a Balrog and then come back so his buds could buy him a tankard could take anyone. I've never seen Dumbledore fight anyone though. I guess I'd have to see that first. I'm still going to say that Gandalf would kick his scholastic arse.

4DSC · 01-02-03, 04:41

While rewatching the first movie, I noticed in the Mines of Moria that Gandalf can really kick it and flee like crazy for an "old" guy!

He's probably ripped under all those robes.

Intel486 · 01-02-03, 10:52

What is Gandalf? He really isn't a person, he is like a spirit or something. Anyone who read the books know?

iceman · 01-02-03, 11:05

Are you kidding me? Gandalf would wipe out Dumbledore easily. But are we talking about wizard/ magical spell stuff or physical eye-gouging extreme fighting? Even in a streetfight, Gandalf would probably win, considering how fast his CGI character ran in the mines of Moria, as 4DSC pointed out. After his fight with the Balrog and return as Galdalf the White, he would probably kick Saruman's sorry butt also!

Can't wait til Return of the King!

TortoiseAWD · 01-03-03, 08:28

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Originally posted by Intel486
What is Gandalf? He really isn't a person, he is like a spirit or something. Anyone who read the books know?

Gandalf (also known as Olorin) is one of the Istari, Maiar sent from Valinor by Ilùvatar on missions to help the people of Arda.

OK, that probably made no sense to you if you haven't read The Silmarillion. Ilùvatar (aka Eru) is essentially God, the "all-father". Ilùvatar's first creations were the Ainur, a rough parallel to angels of Christianity. Ilùvatar and the Ainur created Arda (of which Middle-Earth is part) in The Ainulindalë, a great song of creation.

So, the Ainur are sort of like arch-angels; of these, the Valar are the more powerful, and the Maiar are the lesser spirits of the Ainur. The Istari (plural of Istar) were five (or maybe more) beings (Maiar in the guise of men; the wizards) sent to Middle- Earth by the Valar to unite and counsel the Free Peoples in their struggles against Sauron. They were forbidden to dominate the Free Peoples or to match Sauron's power in order to defeat him themselves. Saruman disobeyed this order and aided Sauron and built an army of Orcs in Isengard. (see http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Maiar and http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Istari)

From Tolkien's Unfinished Tales:

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We must assume that they (The Istari) were all Maiar, that is persons of the 'angelic' order, though not necessarily of the same rank. The Maiar were 'spirits', but capable of self-incarnation, and could take 'humane' (especially Elvish) forms... Now these Maiar were sent by the Valar at a crucial moment in the history of Middle Earth to enhance the resistance of the Elves of the West, waning in power, and the Men of the West, greatly outnumbered by those of the East and South. It may be seen that they were free each to do what they could in this mission; that they were not commanded or supposed to act together... and that each had different powers and... were chosen by the Valar with this in mind.

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Jngrbrdman · 01-03-03, 08:31

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Originally posted by TortoiseAWD
Gandalf (also known as Olorin) is one of the Istari, Maiar sent from Valinor by Ilùvatar on missions to help the people of Arda.

OK, that probably made no sense to you if you haven't read The Silmarillion. Ilùvatar (aka Eru) is essentially God, the "all-father". Ilùvatar's first creations were the Ainur, a rough parallel to angels of Christianity. Ilùvatar and the Ainur created Arda (of which Middle-Earth is part) in The Ainulindalë, a great song of creation.

So, the Ainur are sort of like arch-angels; of these, the Valar are the more powerful, and the Maiar are the lesser spirits of the Ainur. The Istari (plural of Istar) were five (or maybe more) beings (Maiar in the guise of men; the wizards) sent to Middle- Earth by the Valar to unite and counsel the Free Peoples in their struggles against Sauron. They were forbidden to dominate the Free Peoples or to match Sauron's power in order to defeat him themselves. Saruman disobeyed this order and aided Sauron and built an army of Orcs in Isengard. (see http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Maiar and http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Istari)

From Tolkien's Unfinished Tales:

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mercedesfanatic · 01-03-03, 09:48

I'm gonna have to chime in and say that Yoda would kick both their butts

ashsarna · 01-03-03, 09:56

Gandalf rules!!

2wheelsx2 · 01-03-03, 11:14

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Originally posted by TortoiseAWD
Gandalf (also known as Olorin) is one of the Istari, Maiar sent from Valinor by Ilùvatar on missions to help the people of Arda.
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Holy smoke! That was an amazing amount of info. You da man!

TortoiseAWD · 01-03-03, 03:19

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Originally posted by 2wheelsx2
Holy smoke! That was an amazing amount of info. You da man!

Heh, Google is your friend. You don't think I pulled that off the top of my head, do you?

I did wade through the entire Silmarillion once, back in high school. Actually, I did a book report on it . . . I picked the book because I had read The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and really enjoyed it. I had no idea I had signed up to review what is essentially the Bible of Middle Earth. You could write more than one essay on just the creation story . . .

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