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Old 11-12-07, 01:03   #97 (permalink)
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Re: Flex XC 3401 VRG Review w/ Pics

This Powergouse place you talk about, does they have a website? Im about to grab me one I think.

Sounds like the CCS pads are not the ones to use with this machine--so what are the best ones for it?
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Old 11-12-07, 10:28   #98 (permalink)
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Re: Flex XC 3401 VRG Review w/ Pics

I bought my Flex from Powerhouse Distributing in Omaha, NE. They are the master authorized service and parts center for Flex USA. They do not have a website. Their phone number is:

888-809-4749

They are extremely super nice guys to deal with. Many others have purchased their Flex from these guys as well for $269. Shipping is usually around $12-$13. I couldn't recommend them more!
 
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Old 11-12-07, 10:31   #99 (permalink)
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how much more power does the flex offer over the PC/UDM percentage wise? 30, 40, 50%? also what are your pros and cons on this vs. the PC/UDM? thanks...
Its 60% more powerful than a PC. It should break down polishes faster than a pc and udm with the only con i see as not being as manuverable bc of the fixed BP.
 
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Re: Flex XC 3401 VRG Review w/ Pics

I am really thinking about getting one of these now over the UDM but i just have a couple questions
1) Im guessing that this has the same motion as the PC making it "hard" to causing deep swirling/burning of the paint ? I know because of its higher speed its possible but how is this in comparison to a rotary in risk of paint damage ??

2) When using do you have to apply a good deal of pressure like you would on a PC or just a minimal amount ?
 
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I am really thinking about getting one of these now over the UDM but i just have a couple questions
1) Im guessing that this has the same motion as the PC making it "hard" to causing deep swirling/burning of the paint ? I know because of its higher speed its possible but how is this in comparison to a rotary in risk of paint damage ??

2) When using do you have to apply a good deal of pressure like you would on a PC or just a minimal amount ?
Yes it has basically the same motion of the pc and as for paint burning........just use common sence and keep it moving.It would be much harder to burn the paint then a rotary but you still have to keep the machine moving.
I have used it with high pressure and low pressure so to say which it depends on the correction needed.To start out with go with low pressure and see what happens,the first time i tried it was with med pressure and it worked awesome.
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I just finished up the exterior on Odyssey minivan I had this weekend. it's for my neighbor across the street. He's a lawyer, so I'm trading detailing services for legal services. Same guy's Camry that is at the beginning of this thread.

I don't have a whole heck of a lot of pics from this one. It was raining most of the day here in St. Louis, so it spent most of the time in the garage.

Here's a few thoughts on my pre-polish prep routine. As you will see here, the wheels were going to be a major task:



I had just gotten a fresh bottle of P21s Total Auto Wash, and put it to use on these. It's too bad this stuff is so expensive or it would be my normal wheel cleaner. I worked the hell out of the wheels for about an hour at least (and wheel wells). Also, the first time I had to ever break out the power washer on a car:



Just used it for the wheels!

Here is the final result on wheels after cleaning, polsihing with P21s Paint Restorer, and a coat of FMJ:



I know the inside wheels are not completely clean, but that wasn't happening unless I took the rims off and that's not in my arsenal.

I then tackled the engine bay with P21s Total Auto Wash again. I actually almost used a full bottle on this minivan if you can believe that.

Next it was on to washing. I was about ready to go back to P21s car wash, but on the MDX I did a few weeks ago I discovered that Prima Mystique is one heck of a cleaner wash if you add another ounce or 2 than recommended on the directions. It doesn't suds a lot like Adam's or DG 901, but it sure does clean!!! Here's some before and afters of the car just from washing:





After:




Yeah, just washing the car cleaned it up a lot!!! I then clayed with gray clay (professional) from Detailer's Domain. Surfaced felt like desert. Clay took care of that.

So, onto the polishing. When I hit with the halogens, I was surprised to not see any spider webbing or swril marks. I guess if a car never gets washed, then it doesn't have an opportunity to get these defects. I ended up using Menzerna IP with an orange Erasure 6.5" pad. This is probably my favorite combo as it takes out a lot of defects and leaves the paint LSP at the same time. There was some bird poop etching, minor scratches (and major), and other defects that I faced. This was also my first time using the black 6" bp that Powerhouse sent me. Like I said, not a lot of before and afters on the polishing front, but here's a few more that are a testament to the Flex:

I know they're hard to see here, but these are tree branch scratches that were all along the right side. I was able to remove them by about 85%:


After:


Bird poop etching:


After:


Not sure what those little bluish looking specs are, but they turned out to be nothing.


After IP, I topped off with my favorite sealant, FMJ. I really like this stuff for it's easy on / easy off capability. I was just over at my neighbor's and his Camry is still beading pretty well about a month and a half later with minimal washing. I've been trying to get him on a maintenance program, but it's been tough.

Once again, the Flex came through like a champ for me. Although, I did have a problem with the new black bp. After washing one of my orange pads, I went to spin it dry, and after taking the pad off, the velcro piece came about 90% off. This was kind of disappointing. I put the red one back on, and will be calling Powerhouse tomorrow.
 
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Re: Flex XC 3401 VRG Review w/ Pics

Another great detail Jonny.

The velcro came off on the BP or pad??
 
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Old 11-13-07, 06:11   #104 (permalink)
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The velcro came off of the hard backing plate. You know how the velcro piece is glued onto the hard backing plate, well it pretty much just unattached itself. Again, I don't think this is any big deal. I'm calling Powerhouse today about it.
 
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The velcro came off of the hard backing plate. You know how the velcro piece is glued onto the hard backing plate, well it pretty much just unattached itself. Again, I don't think this is any big deal. I'm calling Powerhouse today about it.
Good news for velcro haters (such as myself). When I decided to order a Flex, I emailed Aaron at Edge pads to see if he was considering making an Edge adapter for this machine. I REALLY didn't want to spend the money on new pads.

I don't think at the time he was thinking about it, but he liked my idea and is currently making a proto-type for me to test. After I let him know my thoughts I'm sure he'll want to do his own testing and then hopefully start selling the adapter.

I'm quite excited to have the adpater as it means I don't have to buy new pads. Plus, I can use all the various Edge pads with the machine like the flat pads, wave pads, and the 4" pads. I wonder how the Flex would do with 8" pads? Maybe I should buy a set of those too.
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Now that's a good update!!! I have some Edge pads for my PC as well, and would definitely be interested in an adapter for the Flex as well. How soon will you have the prototype in hand? Please let us know how it works out.
 
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Now that's a good update!!! I have some Edge pads for my PC as well, and would definitely be interested in an adapter for the Flex as well. How soon will you have the prototype in hand? Please let us know how it works out.
I'm not sure exactly when I'll have it. Aaron told me yesterday that he would be making it up for me. I'll receive another email when it's ready, but I imagine it wouldn't be too long.

I ordered my Flex yesterday and that should be in my hands before the end of the week. However, I'm going on vacation all next week. Hopefully by the time I'm back the adapter will be ready.
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Man you guys have me thinking hard about getting one of these.

I have been using 5" CCS pads from Danase on my PC with a 3.5" BP. I like the maneuverability this combo gives me but I need more power. What pad/bp combos are the flex users here using?
 
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