PO106ff and PC...need some help!

kaval · 09-12-07, 08:55

Hey everyone!
This past weekend I did a detail on a car. I compounded it, and then followed up with PO106FF with a white pad. Problem is that I could not get the polish to break down properly. What ended up happening was as I was working it in, some parts would break down and buff off without the need to wipe down with an MF, but other parts were stubborn and did not work for me in the same way. This would be my third time using Nano Polish, and the first two times I had zero problems.

Some insight into application techniques and tips on working it in with a PC on speed 6 would be greatly appreciated. I thought perhaps I was moving too quickly, but I was using the same technique I did for the last 2 cars. One thing I did notice is that a little goes a long way with this product which is excellent!

Thank you in advance. If it helps, the paint was from Honda, black in colour.

Kaval

kaval · 09-12-07, 04:44

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landcruiser · 09-12-07, 05:16

Just a couple of thoughts. Perhaps you were using too much product and/or working too large of an area? Were you working outside or inside? Did you lightly mist the pad with some distilled water first?

HTH

kaval · 09-12-07, 05:22

I barely use any extra product after I put the preliminary amount. I find this product goes very very far for so little.
I should try the distilled water. I usually mist my pads with some Truck Gloss.

stiffdogg06 · 09-13-07, 10:42

Don't mist the pads. It decreases the abrasiveness in the product. Also, some products dont like to be misted.

Use a quarter size dot on the pad to PRIME the pad and then use about dime/nickel size after it has been primed.

Also, if you happen to have a lot of humidity, menzerna likes to dry out. So if you do have a lot of humidity, try to do smaller sections.

kaval · 09-13-07, 12:55

Thanks for the tips. I'll try this out this weekend as I do my parents Odyssey. Will be a year old tomorrow, has been hit 6 times, and has not been waxed :S:S:S

landcruiser · 09-13-07, 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffdogg06

Don't mist the pads. It decreases the abrasiveness in the product. Also, some products dont like to be misted.

Use a quarter size dot on the pad to PRIME the pad and then use about dime/nickel size after it has been primed.

Also, if you happen to have a lot of humidity, menzerna likes to dry out. So if you do have a lot of humidity, try to do smaller sections.

One, very light mist on the pad helps a bit IMHO with Menzerna IP/106FF keep down the dusting a bit. Also, working in smaller areas. Haven't personally noticed any reduction in abrasiveness with one spritz, worked into the pad with fingertips to help prime the pad.

YMMV

stiffdogg06 · 09-13-07, 03:02

if you use SIP and 106ff. You barely have to worry about ANY dust. They are awesome as keeping the dust low. IP dusts a little more. I like to use RMG mixed with IP to keep dusting down tho. But to each his own!

imageautodetail · 09-13-07, 03:05

in many cases a DA can not create enough surface heat to break down a product...but a rotary will

landcruiser · 09-13-07, 03:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffdogg06

if you use SIP and 106ff. You barely have to worry about ANY dust. They are awesome as keeping the dust low. IP dusts a little more. I like to use RMG mixed with IP to keep dusting down tho. But to each his own!

You don't get ANY dusting with IP or 106? Hmmm. FPII doesn't dust much, but the others do. I've tried the RMG too, but that seems counter to your earlier post about misting the pad?

Not trying to argue with you, but I am intrigued to know that you're not getting dusting with the 106. Yes, it's minimal compared to IP, but it dusts. (Note: I'm talking IP, not SIP).

stiffdogg06 · 09-13-07, 05:58

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Originally Posted by landcruiser

You don't get ANY dusting with IP or 106? Hmmm. FPII doesn't dust much, but the others do. I've tried the RMG too, but that seems counter to your earlier post about misting the pad?

Not trying to argue with you, but I am intrigued to know that you're not getting dusting with the 106. Yes, it's minimal compared to IP, but it dusts. (Note: I'm talking IP, not SIP).

Yes, like I said I don't get much dust AT ALL.

Now IP is a different story. That I get quite a bit of dusting.

I believe misting pads and applying a 70/30 mix IP/RMG is different.

hockeyplaya13 · 09-13-07, 07:29

Don't mist the pads with QD. As stiff said it acts as a lubricant and decreases the abrasiveness. Distilled water is different, though.
"Using water on a foam pad will increase it abrasion ability but will interfere with the buffers that encapsulate the abrasives producing less friction heat, which may negatively hinder the diminishing abrasives. The best compromise is a very slightly water dampened pad (do not use a quick detailer (QD) as the wax will reduce the friction heat, negatively impacting the diminishing abrasives. Water will also minimize dusting when using a machine buffer (random orbital or rotary)" -Posted by Jon Miller from Detail University