thinking of upgrading to a rotary

baseballlover1 · 08-25-07, 07:57

These past like 4 nights i have been getting swirls and other "nastys" out of my moms PT cruiser paint (with my pc). It took FOREVER to finish it, and there were still some in the paint. After it was all done i really questioned whether to get a rotary. I had been putting it off in my mind because i always run the risk of burning paint and/or just plain fu%$ing it up. After tonight, while in the garage i thought about how i could practise with it (to refine my skills).

I think i would be wasting my time trying to get swirl marks and other defects out of paint using my PC.

i have a couple questions:
1. Are there THAT many differences beetween rotary's?
2. Could i say use the rotary for compounding and possibly polishing then use the pc for putting sealant or wax on?
3. In your proffesional opinion should i get one?

Thanks sooo much guys (and gals)!

Joshua312 · 08-25-07, 09:40

Yeah, don't touch a rotary...And don't ever use one on a customers car. You need to refine your skills with a PC before just giving up and going to a rotary. The PC is a very capable piece of equipment if you know how to use it correctly with the right combo of pads and polishes. I could show you many threads where I have used just a PC and made a huge improvement.

What exactly did you use on your mom's PT Cruiser..any pics of before and afters?

baseballlover1 · 08-25-07, 10:02

just afters... i used this pink stuff (im not completely sure what it is but the highest end body shop uses t and the owner told me i could have a gallon if i helped him out 1 day. its a compound though

wash
"pink stuff"
sonus sfx 2
p21s concourse paste

with the pink stuff i had to go over it like 100 times and i only did like 3 by 3 areas.

ile get sum pix up by morning.

Joshua312 · 08-25-07, 10:28

Yeah..First off you need to know what products you are working with. You need to know the product so you know the cut you are able to achieve and so you don't use too agressive an approach on a *customers* car. Detailing isn't just going at it with all you have, it's making knowledgeable decisions to correct, protect, and care for the customers car given your knowledge of car car products.

Just because this body shop is in your words "the highest end" doesn't mean they use high end products, more than likely they buy the same product Joe Shmoe buys for $10 a gallon at the local auto supply shop. If you get some more recognized compounds/polishes I think you will be more pleased with the results....remember high end doesn't mean expensive, there are plenty of affordable polishes/compounds. One of my favorites Hi-Temp Extreme Cut for example.

baseballlover1 · 08-25-07, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Joshua312

Yeah..First off you need to know what products you are working with. You need to know the product so you know the cut you are able to achieve and so you don't use too agressive an approach on a *customers* car. Detailing isn't just going at it with all you have, it's making knowledgeable decisions to correct, protect, and care for the customers car given your knowledge of car car products.

Just because this body shop is in your words "the highest end" doesn't mean they use high end products, more than likely they buy the same product Joe Shmoe buys for $10 a gallon at the local auto supply shop. If you get some more recognized compounds/polishes I think you will be more pleased with the results....remember high end doesn't mean expensive, there are plenty of affordable polishes/compounds. One of my favorites Hi-Temp Extreme Cut for example.

yes yes i agree! i think that i should understand how to work with the pc and understand pollishes and compounds and sealants.

I recently placed 2 orders in at autogeek and danase. Will you tell me what you think about the products i ordered?

i ordered:
lexol leatehr cleaner/conditioner
p21s wheel cleaner
menzerna power gloss compound S34A
menzernam intensive polish
pinnacle crystal mist detail spray

Any help you can give me will be apprecated

By the way i think im going to hold off for a while to buy the rotary. However from what ive seen and heard on the forum, im not going to completely remove deep swirl marks or scratches without having the rotary.

Joshua312 · 08-26-07, 05:57

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Originally Posted by baseballlover1

i ordered:
lexol leatehr cleaner/conditioner
p21s wheel cleaner
menzerna power gloss compound S34A
menzernam intensive polish
pinnacle crystal mist detail spray

- I have never used the Lexol products

- You will love P21S, it works great!

- Power Gloss - I have used it before but ended up getting rid of it, seemed to dust up on me even when mixing in another product to cut down on dusting

- Intensive Polish - Same thing as above, don't get me wrong they are both great products and will produce very nice results for you..but you may have to mix with another product to cut down on dusting or just rinse the car after you are done polishing to get rid of any dust

- Never used the Crystal mist but I am sure it will work fine

One thing I see missing from your list, which you may already have is a fine polish to remove micro-marring/hazing from the compounding/polishing stages. This would be a product such as Menzerna Final Polish II, Blackfire Finishing Polish, etc... These polishes should be the last step before applying your wax or sealant as it will leave the finish perfect.

Here is a thread of work I have done just using my PC (PC and Cyclo used for first thread)

http://autopia.org/forum/click-brag/...on-anyone.html
(Scroll all the way down to see additional afters)

http://autopia.org/forum/click-brag/...-course-2.html

http://autopia.org/forum/click-brag/...silverado.html