Question for PC users that switched to Rotary? - Page 5

Accumulator · 10-04-07, 11:52

SuperBee364- Thanks for the additional info. That's the best quick-take I can recall seeing and is much appreciated.

Interesting that you haven't found hologramming to be an issue with the milder wool pads.

Instead of

about the Vintage, I oughta spend a little $ on the wool and quit wasting time with the foam pads. I just keep thinking "gee, I hardly ever do correction and I have all these foam pads"..but then I still have to finish the M3 and if I get another dog-truck it'll be a huge job. Might oughta give the wool a shot after all.

Wool work OK with any High-Temp levelers in your experience?

Hm...I'm sorta nudging this thread off-topic

SuperBee364 · 10-04-07, 01:15

I did have problems with holograms and a blue wool pad one time. I was doing the neighbor's 2003 black Honda Accord. I had used IP and a blue pad for correcting the soft Honda paint. It corrected the paint very well, but a sun inspection revealed huge amounts of holograms. I did one more pass with 106ff and the white wool, and it turned out beautiful. Soft paint really does seem susceptible to wool induced holograms. However, they are very easy to get out with white wool and a good finishing polish. Using a high quality finishing polish with green or blue wool removes holograms and leaves an amazing finish on harder clears.

I use HTEC quite often with the Edge pads, but for some reason I can't get it to work well with the purple foamed wool. Yellow edge wool and HTEC is a very powerful combination. Expect lots of compounding haze, swirls, and holograms with that combo, but it corrects *very* fast. I don't like the .357 magnum (or heavy cut... whatever their name for it is this week) with wool at all. SIP gives just as much cut as .357 does, and it does it faster and finishes down much better. .357 gives me huge hologram problems.

Yes, holograms are definitely a possibility with wool, there's no doubt. But using the correct polish/pad combination can completely get rid of the problem from the start. And if you do get holo problems, selecting the right wool with 106ff will knock em out *fast*.

The Menzerna line really seems to play nicely with wool. They all cut fast and finish down nicely with minimal or easily removed holos.

Accumulator · 10-04-07, 02:14

SuperBee364- Ah, OK, roger that and thanks again!

Rob Tomlin · 04-30-08, 09:04

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

My favorite medium correction pad (my workhorse), is LC's purple foamed wool.

My current sytem (unless the car is heavily swirled and has serious defects), is:

Purple foamed wool with Menz SIP, then either green or blue wool (green for hard clear coats, blue for softer clears) with 106FF, then White wool with 106FF.

I can often skip the last step on softer clears, but most of the time I do it anyway.

I'd substitute Menzerna Intensive Polish instead of SIP for a guy new to the rotary. Using the system above (with regular IP instead of SIP) is a very safe and easy process for someone new to the rotary. You're not using very aggressive pads or polish (and not removing alot of clear coat), yet you'll still get very good correction ability, and the shine you'll end up with will knock your socks off.

Some basic safety rules:

Don't go over 1,000 rpm until you're very comfortable using the rotary.

Keep the buffer head moving over the paint the entire time that the head is turning.

Don't push hard.

Don't overwork (dry buff) the product

If you keep those simple rules in mind and try out the polishes/pads recommended above, I think you'll have a good first experience, and it should be safe, as well.

SuperBee, is this still your preferred system, or would you make any changes 7 months later?

I have a Makita on the way...

Denzil · 04-30-08, 09:59

That method still sounds pretty good if you don't want to go straight to M105 and a yellow/black wool. I'm sure 106FF would work but perhaps you can finish with UFSE.

I think I'm going to have LC purple and SIP as a go-to combo for medium to really bad swirls for both hard and soft clears... well maybe except for the Jet Black Bimmers.

lecchilo · 04-30-08, 11:20

Is there a video of a quality detailer using the rotary over the whole car... I'm just curious to see how someone else goes about doing it on video, not read about it on the forums...

Oh and I actually started detailing with a rotary few years back, and picked up a PC because on some paints, whether it was the paint, polish/pad, or my skill with the rotary, would not finish out perfectly with the rotary

If I had to choose, I would easily pick the Makita though, because 99% of the time I can finish perfectly on any paint.. it does help to have both though, and I plan on picking up the Flex soon as well

SuperBee364 · 05-01-08, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

SuperBee, is this still your preferred system, or would you make any changes 7 months later?

I have a Makita on the way...

Yes, it is... and grats on the Makita.. You'll love it.

Rob Tomlin · 05-01-08, 11:37

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Yes, it is... and grats on the Makita.. You'll love it.

Thanks.

What brand and size of backing plate do you recommend?

Also, the green and blue wool pads you refer to, are those also LC? What size, and where do you get them?

EisenHulk · 05-01-08, 11:45

Also, is there one certain model of Makita that you guys prefer? Is it the 9227? I'm starting to wish after doing just five cars with my PC, that I had just gotten the rotary and then practiced on a few beaters.

SuperBee364 · 05-01-08, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

Thanks.

What brand and size of backing plate do you recommend?

Also, the green and blue wool pads you refer to, are those also LC? What size, and where do you get them?

They are 6" Edge 2000 wool pads. You can get all of them from here...The Edge 2000 6 Inch Wool Buffing Pads all but the white finishing wool is available on that page. To get the white wool finishing pad, you have to call them to get it in the six inch size. The eight inch is available off of the web site.

Here's the purple foamed wool...Foamed Wool 6.5 inch Polishing/Buffing Pad

I'm not very happy with my backing plates. I need to research and replace mine. I don't use them often, though, I mostly use the Edge 2000 system which doesn't use backing plates. I only use backing plates for purple foamed wool or foam finishing pads. The new meguiars (W66) backing plate has been getting really good reviews lately. Todd (TH0001) says it's a really good plate. That's good enough for me.

Rob Tomlin · 05-01-08, 12:23

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

They are 6" Edge 2000 wool pads. You can get all of them from here...The Edge 2000 6 Inch Wool Buffing Pads all but the white finishing wool is available on that page. To get the white wool finishing pad, you have to call them to get it in the six inch size. The eight inch is available off of the web site.

Here's the purple foamed wool...Foamed Wool 6.5 inch Polishing/Buffing Pad

I'm not very happy with my backing plates. I need to research and replace mine. I don't use them often, though, I mostly use the Edge 2000 system which doesn't use backing plates. I only use backing plates for purple foamed wool or foam finishing pads. The new meguiars (W66) backing plate has been getting really good reviews lately. Todd (TH0001) says it's a really good plate. That's good enough for me.

Very helpful post Super, I appreciate it.

Those Edge 2000 pads are cool in that they are double sided, so each one is like having two pads....correct?

Edit: the purple foamed wool is out of stock!

Denzil · 05-01-08, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

Very helpful post Super, I appreciate it.

Those Edge 2000 pads are cool in that they are double sided, so each one is like having two pads....correct?

Edit: the purple foamed wool is out of stock!

Yep, they're like having 2 pads. It's really convenient! It makes switching different size pads a breeze as well.