SIP and LC foamed wool....

Tronix · 08-15-07, 08:03

So it looks like AG finally has some SIP in stock, so I went ahead and ordered a bottle and 2 LC foamed wool pads. Does anyone have any experience with the combo? It works great with an orange LC foam, but Im at the point where i wanna step my game up and use wool.

btw i got a malco guy who comes to my shop every week, so I ordered some edge classic black and blue wool pads from him. My polishes consist of HTEC, SIP and 106ff. I planned on using the black pad with htec, foamed wool with SIP, and the blue wool with 106ff. Feedback? Im a bit nervous about trying to finish with wool, but if anyone has any experience I'd love to hear it.

SuperBee364 · 08-15-07, 09:24

Purple foamed wool is my favorite correction pad. I started using it with IP, which gives very good correction on moderately hard clears. For hard clears, I've been using the purple foamed with SIP 3.02, and Blackfire Scratch Resistant Compound (some would dispute this, but BSRC is SIP 3.01). Foamed wool finishes down very nicely with SIP. It's also a very forgiving pad to use with SIP. If you've ever had problems with pad hop, etc. with SIP and foam pads, you should give foamed wool a try.

Your pad/polish choices sound great to me, but then again, if I keep saying how much I love finishing with Edge wool, someone's gonna call me a shill.

The blue edge wool will finish nicely with 106ff, but for a truly awesome glow, try using the 106ff with the edge white wool pad, which has zero cut to it. It really lets you see the full potential of what 106ff is capable of. You won't get compounding marks out as easily with the white pad, but wow, the finish is awesome.

You might even consider using the HTEC with the purple foamed wool before moving to the black edge pad for moderate to heavy correction.

JuneBug · 08-16-07, 04:36

SuperBee - I use Edge wool pads and I just ordered a Foamed Wool pad from AG to try out, my question is - where does the foam wool pad fit in the order of cut, ie - Edge black, yellow, green, blue and white being the softest.

gmblack3a · 08-16-07, 06:08

Tronix, I would also highly recommend an edge green wool pad. It is my all purpose wool cutting pad along with the presta 1500 polish. Remeber to use very little of the SIP with a wool pad, about half of any other polish.

Here is Bret showing the proper amount of SIP to use with wool:

We were working on a black Porsche 928 that day and the SIP w/ the black wool did not have enough cut. We had to go to Strada 1000 polish (what Bret calls liquid sandpaper

) to cut all of the defects out.

I always find myself going back to a foam pad with ZPC or 106ff after the wool to clean anything up. I used the blue wool/ZPC on a sage green Lexus IS350 which has a softer clear and still had to follow with foam. The holograms where very minor out in the sun, but still needed cleaned up.

SuperBee364 · 08-16-07, 11:37

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Originally Posted by JuneBug

SuperBee - I use Edge wool pads and I just ordered a Foamed Wool pad from AG to try out, my question is - where does the foam wool pad fit in the order of cut, ie - Edge black, yellow, green, blue and white being the softest.

It seems like the yellow edge has a bit more bite to it than the purple foamed wool, and it doesn't finish down as well as the foamed wool. So I'd put it between the yellow and black edge wool pads.

Tronix · 08-16-07, 04:28

great info superbee, as always.

gmblack3a...what size area would you work with that much SIP? BTW...that metabo looks tiny! is it really that much smaller then a makita?

SuperBee364 · 08-16-07, 07:40

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Originally Posted by Tronix

great info superbee, as always.

gmblack3a...what size area would you work with that much SIP? BTW...that metabo looks tiny! is it really that much smaller then a makita?

I think it's just the fact that he's using ginormous 8 inch pads.

You could buff a Boeing with those things.

As for the amount of area you could buff with that much polish, it depends very much on the paint condition, and with the SIP, it also depends alot on temp and humidity.

SVR · 08-17-07, 12:39

Is that presta strata ultra cutting creme your reffering too.
I must get some of that one day.

AudiOn19s · 08-17-07, 05:40

You're going to love the purple LC foamed wool and SIP combo. I just ordered a few more of the pueple pads as the only problem I really have is the pad eventually gumming up on me and I prefer to switch pads rather than spur and clean. My gumming issues may have been in part to weather conditions as well but I like the purple foamed wool MUCH better than foam cutting pads. It cuts quicker, is easier to work on a rotary, AND finished better than orange and yellow foam pads for me.

Short Story: My black Audi had a contaminant that required wetsanding to the rear fenders, bumper and trunk lid. All I had at the time it needed sanded was 1500 grit paper. After the paper I tried to follow up with the Rotary w/ yellow and oragne cut pads and Menzerna PG and even with the rotary it was a slow going correction process. (it was working just not nearly fast enough for my patience level). I left the project and figured I'd pick up some more 2500 and 3000 grit to make finishing easier. Fast forward 4 months and I finally got back around to fixing the rest of the wetsanding. Instead of going right into 2500 grit I slapped on a purple foamed wool pad and again used PG and what do you know I was able to correct the remainder of the sanding marks without the need for further sanding. This is what really sold me on the foamed wool LC pads.

Andy

The Edge · 08-17-07, 06:06

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

I think it's just the fact that he's using ginormous 8 inch pads.

You could buff a Boeing with those things.

As for the amount of area you could buff with that much polish, it depends very much on the paint condition, and with the SIP, it also depends alot on temp and humidity.

funny you should mention it!

Tronix · 08-17-07, 02:28

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Originally Posted by AudiOn19s

You're going to love the purple LC foamed wool and SIP combo. I just ordered a few more of the pueple pads as the only problem I really have is the pad eventually gumming up on me and I prefer to switch pads rather than spur and clean. My gumming issues may have been in part to weather conditions as well but I like the purple foamed wool MUCH better than foam cutting pads. It cuts quicker, is easier to work on a rotary, AND finished better than orange and yellow foam pads for me.

Short Story: My black Audi had a contaminant that required wetsanding to the rear fenders, bumper and trunk lid. All I had at the time it needed sanded was 1500 grit paper. After the paper I tried to follow up with the Rotary w/ yellow and oragne cut pads and Menzerna PG and even with the rotary it was a slow going correction process. (it was working just not nearly fast enough for my patience level). I left the project and figured I'd pick up some more 2500 and 3000 grit to make finishing easier. Fast forward 4 months and I finally got back around to fixing the rest of the wetsanding. Instead of going right into 2500 grit I slapped on a purple foamed wool pad and again used PG and what do you know I was able to correct the remainder of the sanding marks without the need for further sanding. This is what really sold me on the foamed wool LC pads.

Andy

good info, i've had the same problem with my wool cutting pads gumming up on me. after purchasing and using a system 2000, i couldnt imagine detailing life without. you should def. check system 2000 out. works great

SuperBee364 · 08-17-07, 05:41

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Originally Posted by The Edge

funny you should mention it!

Now THAT'S a buffing job! Makes my arms sore just looking at it.