some holograms coming back after a few days..

Reflectionz · 07-02-07, 11:34

using hi-temp 61 polish, megs tan finishing pad or lc black, speed 1300 rpms.

is the oil in the polish hiding some and coming back? am i not working it long enough?

i usually do 2-3 passes to an area with no or very little pressure (pass in like 1 pass, not working the area till theres no more polish). is that how long should it take it polish out a car to get rid of buffer trails?

you cant get additional buffer trails with a finishing pad could you?

Coupe · 07-03-07, 04:18

I think its a combo of not breaking down the polish and finishing at to high an rpm.

Jakerooni · 07-03-07, 06:02

Are you hand glazing or hand polishing after using the rotary? Your hand should always be the last step in a detail not the machine that's probably why it's happening. Could be the product as well. Some are great for that intial shine factor but within days they break down and look like poo.

Coupe · 07-03-07, 06:14

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Originally Posted by Jakerooni

Are you hand glazing or hand polishing after using the rotary? Your hand should always be the last step in a detail not the machine that's probably why it's happening. Could be the product as well. Some are great for that intial shine factor but within days they break down and look like poo.

Whaaaaaaaat?!?!

I think i need to stop by your shop sometime and show you how to finish with a machine.

Derrick · 07-03-07, 06:34

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Originally Posted by Reflectionz

using hi-temp 61 polish, megs tan finishing pad or lc black, speed 1300 rpms.

is the oil in the polish hiding some and coming back? am i not working it long enough?

i usually do 2-3 passes to an area with no or very little pressure (pass in like 1 pass, not working the area till theres no more polish). is that how long should it take it polish out a car to get rid of buffer trails?

you cant get additional buffer trails with a finishing pad could you?

I haven't used the products or the lc black pads you are using so I can't say if that is the problem but make sure the surface is totally clean before you start.

Clay the surface, and use clean finishing pads in a clean environment. First pass use some pressure about 5 lbs or less. The second pass use less pressure. Third pass use just the weight of the machine. RPMs 1200 or less.

Derrick

David Fermani · 07-06-07, 03:10

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Originally Posted by Reflectionz

you cant get additional buffer trails with a finishing pad could you?

You could if you're not removing the inital holograms. What is the condition of the finish you started with? I seriously doubt a final finishing pad with a polish is creating swirls unless you're doing something really wrong.

smprince1 · 07-06-07, 04:04

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Originally Posted by David Fermani

You could if you're not removing the inital holograms. What is the condition of the finish you started with? I seriously doubt a final finishing pad with a polish is creating swirls unless you're doing something really wrong.

I agree.

Or one other possibility is that the pad is not clean and you are dragging some type of contamination in the pad.

salty · 07-06-07, 05:09

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Originally Posted by Reflectionz

using hi-temp 61 polish, megs tan finishing pad or lc black, speed 1300 rpms.

is the oil in the polish hiding some and coming back? am i not working it long enough?

i usually do 2-3 passes to an area with no or very little pressure (pass in like 1 pass, not working the area till theres no more polish). is that how long should it take it polish out a car to get rid of buffer trails?

you cant get additional buffer trails with a finishing pad could you?

I would think HT 61 with a finishing pad, would be very mild. Never used HT61, but their other products are outstanding. If you cut or polished first, then i think you are not using enough pressure. Try the 61 with a polish pad. Do an IPA wipe to remove oils.

Reflectionz · 07-07-07, 01:01

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Originally Posted by salty

I would think HT 61 with a finishing pad, would be very mild. Never used HT61, but their other products are outstanding. If you cut or polished first, then i think you are not using enough pressure. Try the 61 with a polish pad. Do an IPA wipe to remove oils.

yea.. im definitely hiding them! i did a alcohol wipe down with grease and wax remover, which is excellent for that purpose btw (found at paint stores), and everything came back like it was never done.

i might bump it up to a polishing pad but i always worried that a polishing pad will leave its own holograms. what speed do you suggest i spin it at? or does it not matter? what do you think of using something lighter like the ht-69 (wax/polish) and up the speed to 1500rpms on a polishing pad?

i only have time for 2 steps as i dont get paid enough to take my sweet time on a car (doing work for dealerships). it doesnt even have to be perfect.

themightytimmah · 07-07-07, 01:30

It happens... I've slowly moved away from rotary finishing - I can finish fine most of the time, but one slip-up or rookie mistake and I've cost myself the time that I saved. I'm really looking at getting a UDM - Presta UCCL on a wool pad followed by P0106FF on my cyclo comes out perfect 100% of the time - I don't even need to check for hologramming in the sun, but it costs a bit of time - I'm thinking if the UDM could knock 10 minutes off my current finishing step, it'd be worth the price of entry.

Reflectionz · 07-07-07, 02:32

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Originally Posted by themightytimmah

It happens... I've slowly moved away from rotary finishing - I can finish fine most of the time, but one slip-up or rookie mistake and I've cost myself the time that I saved. I'm really looking at getting a UDM - Presta UCCL on a wool pad followed by P0106FF on my cyclo comes out perfect 100% of the time - I don't even need to check for hologramming in the sun, but it costs a bit of time - I'm thinking if the UDM could knock 10 minutes off my current finishing step, it'd be worth the price of entry.

does the udm do a better job than the pc? its just another orbital, right?

salty · 07-07-07, 06:20

Reflectionz, i have used the 69 and found at times hard to work with. I didn't have much cut but finished down nicely. I found i had to remove the excess as soon as the panel was done. It does leave a nice shine and decent protection. If i am finishing with the rotary i usually stay around 1250 RPM. Buff enough to generate a little heat, then move on. Try a panel and do an IPA wipe, give you an idea of how the polish is working.

I also like to finish with a PC for the reasons that Mighty suggested.