Paint that grips pad via rotary

RAG · 06-08-07, 11:10

Every 5th car or so I do seems to have "sticky" paint; some really bad, and some just a bit. I would be describe it as the pad having a tendancy to grip the paint, creating more than normal torque and heat. Wondering how many other experience rotary users notice this?

Today I did an black '04 Acura TL that was gripping like crazy...more so than on other black Acuras and Honda's I've done lately for some reason. Forced me to break out the PC to finish things off.

I swear I've tried everything I can think of, and the only thing that helps when I encounter this is to apply polish directly to the outer edges of the pad, but this is a bit tricky since it can lead to sling.

awahl63 · 06-08-07, 11:15

Still sticky after claying?

rydawg · 06-09-07, 02:12

Softer paints are known for this. I will make sure I wash it with a heavy solution. Also take Prep sol and clean the car before I use the rotary. Also will spray and wipe with a qd to give the panel extra slickness.

gmblack3a · 06-09-07, 05:23

I also have noticed that if the paint has the slightest amount of bonded contaminants, even a wool pad will skip and hop.

porta · 06-09-07, 06:57

Subaru paints in Sweden have the similar problems. The polish becomes to glue...

ebpcivicsi · 06-09-07, 07:27

I notice it a lot on some Fords/Jags(mostly trucks as the mustangs don't seem to have this problem). I have tried clay, decontamination washes, prep sol/IPA or similar wipe downs all to no avail. The decontamination wahses help to some degree, but IMO it is mostly just a characteristic of the paint. I also did a C class Mercedes yesterday that was really "grippy," but it had been "detailed" by a body shop so I figured that I was just pulling up the "gunk" from the filler/glaze that they had used.

I also find that the paint is grippy if the customer has been using the zymoil cleaner wax--this stuff will gum up your pad like mad!

RAG · 06-09-07, 08:28

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Originally Posted by ebpcivicsi

I notice it a lot on some Fords/Jags(mostly trucks as the mustangs don't seem to have this problem). I have tried clay, decontamination washes, prep sol/IPA or similar wipe downs all to no avail. The decontamination wahses help to some degree, but IMO it is mostly just a characteristic of the paint. I also did a C class Mercedes yesterday that was really "grippy," but it had been "detailed" by a body shop so I figured that I was just pulling up the "gunk" from the filler/glaze that they had used.

I also find that the paint is grippy if the customer has been using the zymoil cleaner wax--this stuff will gum up your pad like mad!

Dead on. I've done several jags that seemed to stick. I've also had a lot of Range Rover's and Porches do t his (I really don't like Porche paint for this reason).

Contanimation is certainly not the problem in my experience, as I always clay (I've even tried not claying a panel or two to see if it would make a difference at all). And I've tried QDing before hand, but to no avail. For a while I even wondered if it was how I was washing my pads - nope.

I really think it simply has to do with the clear coat formulation, as the last thing manufacturers consider with their paint is "correctability;" on the other hand, I have never ever had aftermarket paint grip, as they develop this stuff to be sanded and buffed (in a few cases I've beed buffing a "sticky" car and then all of a sudden have things go glassy slick on a panel or two, and with my trusty ETG I leaned it was because these panels were repainted). But because different plants within the same company use different paint products (very little consistency here), we're not able to pin-point particular vehicles that have this problem.

Flygti32 · 06-09-07, 05:43

I noticed an excessive amount of stickyness the other day on a black 05 CRV. The polish just kept balling up and when I was going over it with Megs #9 You could feel the heat coming off the panel. Not something I like to have happen.

RAG · 06-11-07, 08:48

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Originally Posted by Flygti32

I noticed an excessive amount of stickyness the other day on a black 05 CRV. The polish just kept balling up and when I was going over it with Megs #9 You could feel the heat coming off the panel. Not something I like to have happen.

Yeah, when paint grips it creates a lot of heat. I was making 4 passes with the Lake County cloased cell foam (white) the other day on a "sticky" car and the entire panel was quite hot when I was done.

lawrencea · 06-11-07, 03:21

Do you guys think spraying the pad with QD would help.?