7424 PC vs Makita 9227

Burlyq · 07-01-05, 07:23

Well I have used a Rotary for a long long time and recently have been using the 7424 PC. I started using the Rotary when all we had was SS paint jobs and I think the rotary was a must back then. SS paint doesn't swirl as easy as CC, so when you got swirls or scratches they were earned, or in other words very deep. This requires a good aggresive machine. I have also used Rotary with good luck on CC, but I find I have to spend a lot of energy correcting hologramming which I didn't have with the SS paint. Sometimes you have to correct marring left by process but not hologramming on ss.

When I first started using the Porter Cable I was a little frustrated at the time it took initially to do a detail. However, once I left the dialer on 6, I find that it works very efficiently. I can say that I like both machines equally but the PC removes less material which makes it better in the long run for a paint job. The verdict is still out until I get to polish one side with a rotary and the other with a PC, but for now I have been using my PC with no complaints. Lately I have been using DACP, IP, and FPII and they all work good via PC for me. I like both the Sonus pads and Edge pads with the PC. Edge pads are nice because you can flip them, and the Sonus creates a good polishing because of the pressure they give. Kinda nice to be able to use pressure pads which are a nono to me with a rotary.

a.k.a. Patrick · 07-01-05, 09:00

One of these days they'll create a rotary orbital......The "Binford" of orbitals, please !!!

DSVWGLI · 07-01-05, 10:58

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Originally Posted by a.k.a. Patrick

One of these days they'll create a rotary orbital......The "Binford" of orbitals, please !!!

I believe they have one "Makita BO6040 Polisher". I'm still waiting for a recent review of this polisher.

urban1.8t · 07-02-05, 12:38

The Festool Rotex is a rotary orbital, fantastic machine to use.

Click here for Rotex animation

Cheers
Dave.

Accumulator · 07-02-05, 08:29

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Originally Posted by Burlyq

.. I started using the Rotary when all we had was SS paint jobs and I think the rotary was a must back then. SS paint doesn't swirl as easy as CC, so when you got swirls or scratches they were earned, or in other words very deep. This requires a good aggresive machine. I have also used Rotary with good luck on CC, but I find I have to spend a lot of energy correcting hologramming which I didn't have with the SS paint. Sometimes you have to correct marring left by process but not hologramming on ss...
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Interesting, my experiences were similar in some ways but different in others. I too started with a rotary back in the day (mid-late '70s) but other than *white* single stage, I generally find b/c paint to be a lot *harder* than ss

. The only ss car I have now is the Jag, and it's paint is among the softest I've ever worked, right up there with black lacquer from the '50s-'60s. The Volvo I had until last year was the same way, its ss was *very* soft, I had to watch I didn't cut through using just the PC/Cyclo. My b/c vehicles are so hard that the products I used for major correction on the Volvo won't do even *minor* correction on something like Audi clear.

In nearly 30 years I never needed a rotary for my cars, but I finally had to get a Makita to correct the Audis.

Also interesting that you've only had holograms on b/c (lucky you

). I've had holograms on ss, which were pretty scary when they happened for the first time. Heh heh, I was one nervous teenager the first time I pulled a customer's car out into the sun and saw holograms!

Generally, the best look I ever get on b/c is when I use the rotary first and then follow up with the PC/Cyclo. But again, I never needed the rotary on ss (except white, and I couldn't really do much with that anyhow, just too hard). I could get older-tech black lacquer like a mirror, just working by hand (if I worked at it hard enough

).

Burlyq · 07-02-05, 10:48

Accumulator,
You are right about the different paints and softness of them but I find that CC shows everything and SS doesn't, so that's were I'm coming from on that. And I guess I'm lucky on that no hologramming on SS, but I get it just about everytime I use an aggresive polish on CC with rotary. Very easily corrected with final polishing though. Maybe some of my SS had hologramming but you couldn't tell, I think you can only see the hologram effect in CC, on SS it just looks like marring. Anyhow, I could easily make a case for using either a rotary or a PC, but I like my new toy the 7424.

Spilchy · 07-02-05, 11:17

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Originally Posted by DSVWGLI

I'm still waiting for a recent review of this polisher.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...ding=UTF8&s=hi

Burlyq · 07-02-05, 11:20

I think that's a pretty good price for that machine.

DSVWGLI · 07-02-05, 02:17

Thanks spilchy.

Accumulator · 07-02-05, 03:02

That Makita BO6040 seems to get lukewarm reviews at best when people actually do a car or two with it. I forget the specific complaints, but I remember that Mike Phillips was none too impressed with it when he tried it out. Sorta a "jack of all trades, master of none" thing, IIRC.

BurlyQ- Heh heh, we might be saying/experiencing the same stuff, only expressing ourselves differently. I certainly agree about the ss not showing everything the way b/c does, and in many ways I prefer the look of a good ss anyhow; I remember the cars a local funeral home had back in the '60s-'70s, best looking black paint I can think of.

I think of holograms as just a specific type of marring and yeah, they are much more commonly seen on b/c all right. Not like they're gonna show up on light color ss unless you *really* mess up! IMO most single stage just isn't "bright-glossy"/reflective enough for holograms to be much of a problem.

The PC *is* a great companion to the rotary, huh? I prefer the Cyclo myself, but having some kind D/A is just *so* handy compared with doing everything by rotary. Just as the rotary is *so* handy when you need its power.

Burlyq · 07-04-05, 12:06

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BurlyQ- Heh heh, we might be saying/experiencing the same stuff, only expressing ourselves differently. I certainly agree about the ss not showing everything the way b/c does, and in many ways I prefer the look of a good ss anyhow; I remember the cars a local funeral home had back in the '60s-'70s, best looking black paint I can think of.

I like the looks of the old SS paint too, but my favorite are the newest paint jobs that mix SS with CC. That way you get the added gloss of the CC w/o the second layer that reveals so many flaws. I think this is were the industry will eventually go on 90% of paint jobs. I know a few car makers are doing this and it's a very popular thing in body shops, and the best part is that it's cheaper than painting plus CC. You end up with a compramise, you still get a longer lasting coat but you don't have to put of the constant spider webbing as in CC. You still get swirls but they are a little harder to get than with CC.

Accumulator · 07-04-05, 12:38

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I like the looks of the old SS paint too, but my favorite are the newest paint jobs that mix SS with CC...

Yeah, my painter was telling me about those. As the paint technology keep changing I think we're gonna see a lot of new paints. But I can't help but wonder if I'll ever like them as well as the old-school stuff...call me old-fashioned, plenty of people do