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Old 06-23-05, 03:13   #13 (permalink)
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I personally dont think using the cyclo as a first time polisher is a bad idea at all.
I handed mine to a person that never polished a car before this past weekend and in about 30 seconds he had it down as to how the machine moves and how to polish.

If it is for jsut your vehicle I would see the areas where the machine wont really fit and if there is a lot I would say the PC might be your best bet. But if you have a lot of flat/non hard to get to areas I would say go for the cyclo.
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Old 06-23-05, 03:18   #14 (permalink)
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The Cyclo is quite user friendly. I got used to it in about 10 minutes.
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If you have a large vehicle with a lot of flat surfaces, I'd definitely go with the Cyclo first. Smaller vehicle with a lot of curves, you will probably find the PC to be easier.
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Old 06-23-05, 04:00   #16 (permalink)
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[quote=scottabir]I personally dont think using the cyclo as a first time polisher is a bad idea at all.
I handed mine to a person that never polished a car before this past weekend and in about 30 seconds he had it down as to how the machine moves and how to polish... [quote]

Same experience here, with numerous people from kids to the elderly. Only *one* person preferred the PC and he's a bit IMO anyhow.
 
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Old 06-23-05, 04:02   #17 (permalink)
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This car would be an excellent candidate for a Cyclo I presume -> http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=57957
 
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Exactly. When I did the rent-a-Suburban I used the rotary for the worst of it and then it was all Cyclo.
 
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Old 06-23-05, 05:44   #19 (permalink)
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This car would be an excellent candidate for a Cyclo I presume -> http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=57957

You bet that would be a great candidate for the cyclo!
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Being new to using a machine on my car (2005 Camry), and after lurking around Autopia for some time, it seems that the PC is being used more by fellow Autopians than the Cyclo.

Which one would be considered less risky to use?

Is there anything that the Cyclo can do that the PC cannot?

Is the actual action of the Cyclo the same as the PC?
 
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1) they both are equally "risky"...not a WHOLE lot to be worried about.
2)yes remove marring faster (my opinion)
3)yes they are both dual action machines.
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Boongie- Heh heh, I'm in the mood to carry on about the Cyclo:

What scottabir said. You're not gonna be taking any additional risk by getting a Cyclo instead of a PC. You may well find the Cyclo more easily mastered due to its superior ergonomics. They really are *that* similar, at least in concept. Something to think about- the Cyclo was designed as a polisher (originally for polishing metal, which is quite a demanding job), and has been used, with no major changes, for that job by countless pros and amateurs over more than 50 years. The PC was designed as a finish sander (think about how light a piece of sandpaper is compared to a foam pad, and about how little "work" it takes to sand wood compared to polishing automotive paint, let alone metal). People have only been using the PC to polish cars for a fraction of the time that the Cyclo's been doing it, and I honestly don't believe it's the right tool for the job (or rather, the right application for that tool). My older PC is *only* described as a sander, with not mention of using it for anything else (either on the box or in the product literature).

As far as the motion being the same, yeah, *BUT* the PC tends to "bog down" under pressure, where it quits spinning and merely oscillates (weakly). That's why some pros derisively call the PC a "jiggle machine"- it just "jiggles" when you wish it would do some real "dual action" motions. No such problems with the Cyclo. You can grab the pad while a PC is running. Doing that with the Cyclo will hurt you. But they're both safe for a beginner.

As best I can figure, there are a few reasons why the PC is more popular-

Greater pad selection. More pads are available for Cyclos now than were in the past, but the selection for the PC is still greater. Never been an issue for me, it's not like there are jobs you can't do with the Cyclo because of "limited pad options".

Different pad sizes. With the PC you can (with the proper backing plates) use a number of different pad sizes from 4" to 7.5". The Cyclo only uses (two) 4" pads. This makes for greater flexibility (using the overhanging part of a large pad can help you get into tight spots the Cyclo can't reach).

Variable speed. The fixed speed of the Cyclo is only around 3K orbits per minute, about like the PC on "3". But since it doesn't bog down like the PC, it *behaves* as if it were faster, making some products (e.g., AIO) "flash off" too fast. This makes for tough removal. With the PC you have all those different speed options and you can use products like the AIO with no trouble.

Cost. The PC is so much cheaper than the Cyclo that you can not only get a complete system for the same money as the basic Cyclo, but you'll have money left over to rebuild the PC when it breaks down/wears out (which won't happen with the Cyclo ).

Ergonomics. Some people just like the PC better; I know a guy who does
 
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Old 06-25-05, 11:04   #23 (permalink)
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Tuan I started off with the Cyclo and havent looked back. From everyting that I have read the Cyclo can correct paint damage that the PC can not. It is also faster at correcting paint defects. If you can afford the Cyclo I would get it over the PC unless, like Accumulator mentioned you have lots of curves that would be hard to get to with a Cyclo.
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