anyone else have a little trouble with the 105 205 combo? - Page 4

Turbocress · 10-26-09, 10:35

one more update. i went back and tried the kbm method for 105 205 usage. it worked a little better, but still had holos and a fair amount of scratches from using the kbm method itself, then went to a gray pad with 205... primed it lightly, put 3 pea size dots on the pad, spread it around the 1 foot square area, and did 2 passes with kbm style pressure, and then 2 passes moderate pressure, and then 2 passes light pressure..... it got rid of 90% of the scratches and hologramming, but left the surface.... foggy....

i think ill wait til daylight, to clear my head and think of some solutions to this. and maybe get some more suggestions.... btw this is on a 1993 toyota supra. still thinking the cold has something to do with this

SuperBee364 · 10-27-09, 07:48

The fog is most likely that "milky white residue" I mentioned in another thread. It's leftover 205 residue, and can be *very* hard to get off. Straight 91% IPA can do it, but even then it's not easy. Hi-Temp Prep Wash followed by a quick IPA wipe will make quick work of it.

Using a cleaning glaze will get rid of it, too, then you just have to get the glaze off with IPA. Even a non-cleaning glaze would probably get it off. just follow up with IPA afterwards to get rid of the glaze.

Also, once you think you have gotten rid of all the milky residue, there will be just a touch left that will make you think you have holograms. Keep wiping til they're gone.

Turbocress · 10-27-09, 08:02

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

The fog is most likely that "milky white residue" I mentioned in another thread. It's leftover 205 residue, and can be *very* hard to get off. Straight 91% IPA can do it, but even then it's not easy. Hi-Temp Prep Wash followed by a quick IPA wipe will make quick work of it.

Using a cleaning glaze will get rid of it, too, then you just have to get the glaze off with IPA. Even a non-cleaning glaze would probably get it off. just follow up with IPA afterwards to get rid of the glaze.

Also, once you think you have gotten rid of all the milky residue, there will be just a touch left that will make you think you have holograms. Keep wiping til they're gone.

well, hopefully thats what it was, so i can find out what it takes to get the panel clear like the pictures, and remove the foggyness with the prep wash and ipa i picked up. i was using the prep wash and it was pretty clear to see that you need to ipa the prep wash after using it heh. but good stuff nonetheless

Accumulator · 10-27-09, 08:43

turbocress- You might also try a follow up with some Menzerna finishing polish. That seems to cut away the residual M205 stuff while upping the gloss and clarity.

Turbocress · 10-27-09, 10:15

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turbocress- You might also try a follow up with some Menzerna finishing polish. That seems to cut away the residual M205 stuff while upping the gloss and clarity.

thanks, i was looking for a decent finishing polish that could follow the 205, or possibly another line of mild/agressive, to fine polish, to finishing for a solid 3 step

Accumulator · 10-28-09, 09:05

Turbocress- The additional third step oughta be pretty mild, maybe even FPII-mild.

SuperBee364 · 10-28-09, 09:27

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Turbocress- The additional third step oughta be pretty mild, maybe even FPII-mild.

On hard clears, UF, PO85RD, or even PO106FF(A)

On medium clears: UF, PO85RD, or FPII

On Soft clears: UF, FPII

All IMO, of course.

106 doesn't really seem to add much gloss to a 205 finished surface, but the other polishes should not just take out any holos 205 left, but also take the gloss up a notch.

If time is of a concern, go with the UF. It cleans up after 205 *really* fast. Four quick passes (one application) of UF will pretty much clean up after 205 on just about any clear, hard or soft. UF will clean up after 105 most of the time, for that matter.

SuperBee364 · 10-28-09, 01:26

Edit: whoops.. posted in wrong spot.

Cactus1 · 10-28-09, 04:57

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If time is of a concern, go with the UF. It cleans up after 205 *really* fast. Four quick passes (one application) of UF will pretty much clean up after 205 on just about any clear, hard or soft. UF will clean up after 105 most of the time, for that matter.

I thought Ultra Fina was for rotary use only?

bert31 · 10-29-09, 08:04

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I thought Ultra Fina was for rotary use only?

I would imagine you would get better results with a rotary but several on here have said they got good results with a DA.

Accumulator · 10-29-09, 09:02

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..106 doesn't really seem to add much gloss to a 205 finished surface...

Well, working via DA (Flex 3401 and PC/4"), the 106 I used on the M3 sure *did* make for better gloss than the M205. Enough so that I went back and redid the whole [expletive] car even though the soon-to-be-new owner probably wouldn't have noticed

I mean...I was pretty prejudiced against the 106 (whichever version my Flackfire stuff is

) after that 106FF filler issue on the Yukon, and I only reached for it when I got that bad gallon of M205 and needed to finish with *something* that'd work well on hard clear. I simply never expected to suddenly be confronted with irrefutable proof that hey, this (newer) Menzerna stuff really *is* something else. Heh heh, I wasn't just an impartial tester, I was negatively predisposed!

SuperBee364 · 10-29-09, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

Well, working via DA (Flex 3401 and PC/4"), the 106 I used on the M3 sure *did* make for better gloss than the M205. Enough so that I went back and redid the whole [expletive] car even though the soon-to-be-new owner probably wouldn't have noticed

I mean...I was pretty prejudiced against the 106 (whichever version my Flackfire stuff is

) after that 106FF filler issue on the Yukon, and I only reached for it when I got that bad gallon of M205 and needed to finish with *something* that'd work well on hard clear. I simply never expected to suddenly be confronted with irrefutable proof that hey, this (newer) Menzerna stuff really *is* something else. Heh heh, I wasn't just an impartial tester, I was negatively predisposed!

Good to hear you got good results with the 106, but you're selling the M3?? I'da let the new guy put all the effort in to it... wait... no, actually I wouldn't.