Pad discussion... - Page 2

Renew Detailing · 10-17-09, 06:17

Have you guys ever tried system one? If you have, how does it compare to Uno? I currently use system one with either a foam cutting pad or a foam finishing pad on my dewalt rotary. I'm 90% happy with it, but I wonder if there is anything out there that does a better job for the same price or does the same for less. System one is $120 a gallon but I get it for $85.

a.k.a. Patrick · 10-17-09, 07:03

Ive got some issues with the way they describe the Red foam compound though. IME, it should not be used with any type of abrasive polish. Its way to soft to actually roll abrasives out with. The softer the pad, the better the ability for the abrasive to take comfort in. Red should be left for sealants and liquid or soft nubas......

tdekany · 10-18-09, 12:34

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Are these the ones? Uber Foam Buffing Pads I'm not seeing any other pads besides these, but they don't say Euro or 3m anywhere...

Edit: I just ran in to a very useful chart/post over on another board...Proper Auto Care: Understanding Lake Country Polishing Pads - Truth In Detailing Auto Detailing Forum I hope I'm not over stepping my bounds by posting a link to it, but it has some *really* useful information in it. Pretty much every possible question you could have about LC pads answered in one chart. it doesn't show the new 5.5 inch constant pressure flat pads in it, but other than that, it pretty much has it all covered.

The link to Todds's post is all about pads available in the USA. The Euro pads suppose to be much better pads. You might want to call Phill. I haven't tried them yet, but as my ccs pads wear out I'll get those from Phill. (The Euro UF 6.5" blue pad is also a better pad from the large one available here according to the guys who have tried both)

getcha · 10-18-09, 01:38

The Uber pads from Phil are just relabled custom colored LC flat pads

Green is LC white
Orange is orange
Blue is LC black

same porosity..

Setec Astronomy · 10-18-09, 05:32

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

But things are kinda changing in the pad world now, what with Edge getting bought and dismantled by 3M...So it's probably going to be necessary for those of us that bought in to the Edge 2k system to switch to something new when it comes to foam pads.

I'm not sure I agree with this premise. I was talking to the former Edge guys quite a bit last year because I waited to try to order my Flex Edge adapter until the day they stopped selling them. In the course of trying to get an answer from them about how/where to buy the adapter, it was pretty clear that they were still making the pads for 3M.

Since 3M didn't buy all of the Edge products (I think it was just the pads and adapters) it seems pretty silly that they would stop selling them. Perhaps this shortage is caused by a changeover to a different mfg. facility. Why don't you call the guys at getiapstuff.com and ask them what's going on?

SuperBee364 · 10-18-09, 08:17

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

I'm not sure I agree with this premise. I was talking to the former Edge guys quite a bit last year because I waited to try to order my Flex Edge adapter until the day they stopped selling them. In the course of trying to get an answer from them about how/where to buy the adapter, it was pretty clear that they were still making the pads for 3M.

Since 3M didn't buy all of the Edge products (I think it was just the pads and adapters) it seems pretty silly that they would stop selling them. Perhaps this shortage is caused by a changeover to a different mfg. facility. Why don't you call the guys at getiapstuff.com and ask them what's going on?

None of the etailers that used to carry the Edge pads are restocking them once they sell out, and all of them are all on "close out" everywhere. I'll see if I can get in touch with the getiapstuff.com guys tomorrow. Any idea if Aaron is still one of the Edge guys?

Setec Astronomy · 10-18-09, 08:33

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

I'll see if I can get in touch with the getiapstuff.com guys tomorrow. Any idea if Aaron is still one of the Edge guys?

Last I talked to them was probably January or February, but IAP is Aaron's company that makes/sells what 3M didn't take from the Edge line, plus some new stuff. When I got my Flex adapter it shipped from the IAP address (old Edge address) and said "3M East" or something like that. It just doesn't make sense for 3M to buy just the pads and then stop selling them, unless it was eating into their own pad sales and they wanted to kill it.

SuperBee364 · 10-18-09, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Jakerooni

Yea good points there. I hate loosing something that works. And on the dewalt i use the edge pads exclusively. Wool and foam.

But on the makita I've been using these Car Buffing Pads, Car Wash Equipment, Automotive Polishing Pad & More – Buff and Shine They have a large variety of sizes and selection. And apparently they whore themselves out like chemical guys and have a bunch of different guys re-brand them (unless they are re-braned themselves... Never sure where the origin is on these types of things) So I'm taking that as they have staying power. Their foam holds up extreamly well. I get really great finishes from them and I can pick and choose what I need from them. Plus next to the edge system it's the easiest centering pad I've ever used.

That says a lot, right there.

The mounting system they use looks pretty cool, too. Can you use their backing plate with other pad brands, or would the centering mechanism get in the way?

Buff n Shine used to have a terrible shilling reputation around here and various other detailing boards, but they've been behaving for a while now.

wfedwar · 10-18-09, 09:01

Tried the new Hydro-Tech pads yet? I just tried the tangerines yesterday with Prime Strong and I was pretty impressed. It's wierd how stiff they are, but that lets you use alot more pressure and they still finish nicely, like a white or even black pad. The polish doesn't soak into them either, it just stays on the surface. That lets you use less and it also seems to give much longer working time (good for something like PS). Just finished my dad's F150, which had never been polished before, using only PS and tangerine pads (didn't have but a couple of hours) and the results were really good. Working time with PS increased to something more like a regular polish (think 106FF).

I think regular red/black/white/green/orange pads still have a place if you want to do 3-steps, but the new Hydro-Techs really are different and for that reason alone are worth having. I'm going to keep playing with these. I'm hoping cyan+SIP is going to be a good combo before PS+tangerine.

Pats300zx · 10-18-09, 09:12

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Originally Posted by wfedwar

Tried the new Hydro-Tech pads yet? I just tried the tangerines yesterday with Prime Strong and I was pretty impressed. It's wierd how stiff they are, but that lets you use alot more pressure and they still finish nicely, like a white or even black pad. The polish doesn't soak into them either, it just stays on the surface. That lets you use less and it also seems to give much longer working time (good for something like PS). Just finished my dad's F150, which had never been polished before, using only PS and tangerine pads (didn't have but a couple of hours) and the results were really good. Working time with PS increased to something more like a regular polish (think 106FF).

I think regular red/black/white/green/orange pads still have a place if you want to do 3-steps, but the new Hydro-Techs really are different and for that reason alone are worth having. I'm going to keep playing with these. I'm hoping cyan+SIP is going to be a good combo before PS+tangerine.

I have some of the new Hydo Tech pads and hopefully will be using them on a detail of a 350Z that I have set up for next weekend. Weather permitting

The reviews on them seem to be pretty good.

SuperBee364 · 10-18-09, 09:16

Great info, wfedwar, thanks.... that Tangerine Hydro-Tech looks interesting, for sure. It says it'll cut like a traditional organge, but finish like a traditional gray. Might be a very effective pad for KBM/DA... lots of cut with a good finish. And the 5.5" one would be perfect for KBM/DA

SuperBee364 · 10-18-09, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Pats300zx

I have some of the new Hydo Tech pads and hopefully will be using them on a detail of a 350Z that I have set up for next weekend. Weather permitting

The reviews on them seem to be pretty good.

Let's hope the weather permits!

I'm throwing way too much OCD at this whole pad thing, but now that you and wfedwar have brought the Hydro-Tech Tangerine pad up, I'm thinking it *really* might be good for KBM/DA.

From the 'geeks web site description: "It has the cutting power just below that of the Lake Country orange light cutting pad, and the tangerine pad leaves a finish like you'd achieve with a gray finishing pad."

So you have the cutting power of an orange pad, and the finishing power of a zero bite gray? Yeah, that would be an amazing combo for M205 KBM/DA.

Looks like the tangerine pad is gonna get added to the buy list.