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Old 04-14-03, 09:54   #73 (permalink)
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I like the waffle pads, the waffles don't allow you to keep one side of the pad on the car as long as the other because for every bump on the pad that touches the paint there is a open space where the pad doesn't make contact.

I "heard" it's for the guys that use rotaries at very high speeds and we wouldn't really notice the difference but I like knowing I have a little bit of extra insurance.
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Old 04-19-03, 09:01   #74 (permalink)
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Here is a tidbit of info that may save you rotary (and orbital) users out there some headaches, heartburn and ulcers.

While running my rotary over the rear fender of a red BMW the other day I noticed some drips of water coming out of the seam where the lower rear bumper meets the rear quarter panel. After finishing the area I was working on I bent down to inspect the area and looking down at the now evaporated water run I noticed small particles of dirt dried to the paint.

I thought for a moment of the horrible results if I had buffed over that water drip, picked up those small dirt particles and buffed them into the finish (shock and awe!). What had happened was that I did not remove the standing water in this area during the drying process and the vibrations to the panel from my rotary caused some scratch causing grit to be dislodged and carried out by a run of water.

Haste makes waste and trying to hurry up and get this car done caused me to overlook a very important step in the detailing process, which is to throughly dry all the nooks and crannies. So be careful folks that you do not dislodge any debris that was not removed in the washing step but is dislodge in the polishing steps. Never run your buffer over a lower panel area until you have inspected it. I always wipe the lower panels, along where the body seams meet, out with a MF and some QD just before I pass my buffer over that area. Good habit to form.

I am also documenting a detail on a BMW this coming week and will take some photos of the process, from claying to cutting to polishing and finishing. I hope to post them and I am going to try.....key word here is "TRY" to video a few steps and somehow offer this to anyone interested.

I am not doing this because I think I am better than everyone or anything like that but that I might be able to demonstrate technique visually better than I might do so in text.

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Old 04-19-03, 11:26   #75 (permalink)
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I would buy that video.
 
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Old 04-20-03, 08:36   #76 (permalink)
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Hey thanks Greg,

But actually I will offer it as a video file "IF" I can 1) Find someone to video it and 2) Figure out how to make it a file! LOL

If the video deal doesn't work out I will at least be able to post some pictures.

Also I am working on a little invention of sorts that will assist detailers, both pro and weekend warriors, while using buffers.

Happy Resurrection Day!
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Old 04-20-03, 04:34   #77 (permalink)
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Hey Anthony!

I'll even host that file if you need to! =) Just let me know! lol
 
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Old 04-20-03, 06:35   #78 (permalink)
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Sometimes I think it would be advantageous for me to take a weekend trip down to Texas to see Scott and Anthony in action.
Maybe later this summer, assuming business is going well, I might bite the bullet and get a rotary, but for now, PC works and is paid for.

Anthony- can't wait to see this invention.
 
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Old 07-05-03, 07:19   #79 (permalink)
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Well, if Anthony has an INVENTION, then I humbly stand in awe, waiting...

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Old 07-05-03, 11:27   #80 (permalink)
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The "invention" is still in the testing mode and is coming along rather slowly because it is made of fabric and I am horrible at sewing, in fact I flunked home ec in school....now that is sad!

We are "trying" to get a video of sorts done, hopefully by Christmas of this year. Keep yer fingers crossed.

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Old 07-27-03, 02:40   #81 (permalink)
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Considering your main issues as you stated are with Buffer marks, swirls, and scratch problems. In order to eliminate (not fill-in) paint defects and/or surface imperfections you need good lighting, clean toweling, clean pads, evaluate the surface, right products for the job, and plenty of patience. If you think in terms of one section or panel at a time, you will be less likely to be in a hurry to go on to the next section. You will actually be going faster taking your time and doing a nice job and solving the problems, instead of going fast and leaving scratches, swirls, undealt with for some later time.

I do a walk around to check for loose trim, emblems, and other items. Taping off lenses, body side moldings, antenna mounts, etc., depending on vehicle.

You can solve a lot of the issues people have with rotary's ahead of time before you even pick-up the buffer.

When it comes to your pads make sure they are balanced on the backing plate properly. Unwanted vibration can create more problems.
I have found that most surface correction can be done between 1000 to 1500 RPM's. I got most of my wet-sanding, compounding, polishing, blends, and scratch and run repair experience by working in the body shop environment. Great classroom for detailers. Some of your products may have speed recommendations on the labeling. If they do not you will be within a safe range as mentioned above. Some of your products are heat activated this is one reason for the recommended speeds; compounds, swirl mark removers, etc. It's nice to hear how it's working for others, but most if not all of your professional detailing chemical company's have thoroughly tested these products, that's how they come up with the recommendations for their use, features, and what pads to use.

Ever since I started detailing, the old standard of the least aggresive pads and products first, applies here too. Man!, If I can get it done with the light stuff first, the less surface has to be leveled, and more time for other things like coffee and pastries.

When applying product I will either put it directly on the pad or lay about an 8" line of product on the surface. Starting from the right side of the line I will draw the product up into the pad, and using front to back motions (natural motion of vehicles) I overlap each pass (which is about two feet) by about 50% evenly and smoothly buffing, keeping the pad as flat to the surface as possible applying the wet product before it starts to dry (I am comfortable with light to medium pressure at first and then I'll ease up at the end of the passes). I've noticed with some products once the product dries it will cause the pad to grab and pull away. Wet buffing by misting and/or product usually solves this problem. On vertical fields smaller pads at lower speeds are easy to manipulate and are effective. As was already mentioned, keep the rotary moving. If it starts to drag mist the pad and/or lay down some more product. Buff wet! a rotary out of control can cause injury to you and the car.

If you want to learn how to use the rotary safely and efficiently learn the products and chemicals you are using and your future applications will be based on experience instead of guess work.

About deeper scratches, if your fingernail will catch in the groove, it will probably need to be repaired. Your better off telling your customer or admitting to yourself whatever the situation, that this needs to be repaired, rather than trying to fix it and penetrating the surface coat exposing the underlying coats.

There are many situations that will arise, some new some old. Paying close attention with your own eyes to what's really on that surface will tell you what the solution is and the actions to take.

Hope this helps you! . . . .
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Old 10-10-03, 12:34   #82 (permalink)
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Anthony Orosco, I make movies (of family) with analog camera, put them into a "movie making" program burn them to DVD and send them to my parents by snail mail. A movie file is too big to e-mail.

Everyone else,
what kind of rotary is everybody using?
make model price and where from?
 
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Edges!

I've been practicing buffing and have also had a professional painter friend of mine teach me some techniques. I am having a hard time with cars that have a lot of hard angles, such as a Jeep Cherokee. This car is nothing but edges! How can you safely buff this type of car without burning some of these edges. It's easy not to burn an edge if you have plenty of room for the trailing edge but what if you have 2 edges only about an inch apart? Help!
 
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And Another Thing!

I haven't viewed any post where people are using a paint gauge. I don't have one yet either, and I haven't buffed an actual customer car, but how can you keep track of how much paint you can safely take off without getting the clearcoat to thin?
 
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