Megs 105/205 & Mez SIP

[OCDinPDX]

I have been reading great things about Meg's 105 and 205 polishes and of course, the Menzerna SIP for the super-hard German clearcoats. I have a Griot's Garage random orbital and their orange polishing pads. The system works okay but seems to struggle with the real deep swirls. The most abrasive polish leaves micro-marring that is nearly impossible to remove with the finer polishes.

I really like the machine but I'd like to see if the Meg's and Mez polishes are compatible with the Griot's pads. I doubt there will be any issues as from what I've heard the Griot's buffer is not too different from the Flex or the PC.

Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.

[Jason M]

M105 and M205 also work great on Ceramiclear.

That being said, you can't go wrong with Menz. Many good detailers swear by their products.

M105 works great via DA style machines. It can be very aggressive with the right pad and some pressure. However it leaves an excellent finish that is easily cleaned up with M205 on a black finishing pad. I have not run into a paint system that I can't go from M105/orange to M205/black and finish out without any remaining M105 haze yet. And that's everything from Audi hard to SS black paint soft.

[OCDinPDX]

Thanks, Jason.

But hey...79 views and only ONE reply?

[slickwilly]

I believe the Griots buffer is similar to the G100/PC/UDM. I've used a PC with LC orange and Menz SIP with great results. I've also got some Megs 105 I'm going to try out too. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with Griots pads, just LC.

Sometimes all it takes is practice and trial and error...go to a scrapyard/junkyard and pick a couple hoods or trunk lids...that's how I'm starting out...

[89gt-stanger]

I was able to completely remove very deep and plentiful swirls from a 2004 expedition in one pass with 105/orange/Meguiars PC.

[OCDinPDX]

Thanks, guys...I'm going to bite the bullet and go for it.

[TSC17]

Just spend your money Andrew and move on!

[Thats Fresh]

i correct mostly bmws and the Menzerna line has worked great for me.
105/orange & 205/white would equate to SIP/orange & PO106/white. it seems to clean up real nice. and if followed up with PO85rd/blue its makes the paint POP.

but you can't go wrong with the 105/205 combo!

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by OCDinPDX

.. I'd like to see if the Meg's and Mez polishes are compatible with the Griot's pads. I doubt there will be any issues as from what I've heard the Griot's buffer is not too different from the Flex or the PC.

Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.

I haven't used the Griot's machine but I have PCs and a Flex 3401. I like the Griot's orange pads- more aggressive than most regular polishing pads but milder than other manufacturers' orange light cut pads.

M105 and M205 work fine with the Griot's pads in my (somewhat limited) experience. The M205 is just a *little* gentle with that pad for some correction but finishes out very nicely.

BUT...they work best for me via Flex 3401. Via PC I get the "the pad's too big" effect where I can't put much pressure on the machine lest it merely "jiggle" and I dunno how the Griot's machine will behave in that regard.

FWIW, I never liked the Griot's Machine Polishes much though the MP3 did come in handy a few times when I needed something especially mild (never tried MP4). The MP2 worked a *LOT* better via Cyclo than it did via PC/~6" pad but would probably work OK via PC/4".

Those big pads just never work well for me on anything except a Flex 3401 or a rotary. But the Meguiar's polishes should work better for you than the Griot's ones.

[07e90]

Originally Posted by Thats Fresh

i correct mostly bmws and the Menzerna line has worked great for me.
105/orange & 205/white would equate to SIP/orange & PO106/white. it seems to clean up real nice. and if followed up with PO85rd/blue its makes the paint POP.

but you can't go wrong with the 105/205 combo!

I think M105 has quite a bit more cut than SIP, while I haven't used power gloss, I think that would be a more valid equivalent. What I don't like is the fact that SIP fills and a iso wipdown is a must to check defect removal.

[SuperBee364]

Originally Posted by 07e90

I think M105 has quite a bit more cut than SIP, while I haven't used power gloss, I think that would be a more valid equivalent. What I don't like is the fact that SIP fills and a iso wipdown is a must to check defect removal.

I've used Power Gloss quite a bit... 105 has even more bite to it than PG, so *quite* a bit more than SIP. However, you can use 105 as an SIP-category (medium weight) polish, too. Since it has non-diminishing abrasives, you can just do a gentle, short application of 105 to get an SIP type effect.

[Accumulator]

A "problem" (scare-quotes intentional) that I've been getting with M105 v2.0 is a light haze...sorta a pseudo-hologram effect...that seems to be caused by my wiping/buffing the product off. Yeah, "duh..it's a compound", but still. I'm even spritzing with #34 before buffing. It only shows up under *very* specific lighting conditions, the same ones that show holograms. It's usually easy enough to clear up, but on hard clear it takes a pad with a bit of cut to do it with M205.

I get sorta the same thing with M205 but that *appears* to be mainly a matter of polishing oils that don't play nice with certain paints.

In both these cases the paint appears perfect under 99% of the viewing angles/lighting conditions I'm using. It can take me many minutes of careful inspection to spot it (so gee, would it even matter to most people ).

And I'm still not sure yet, but I don't *think* M205 is finishing out quite as nicely as 1z HG does.

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

I've used Power Gloss quite a bit... 105 has even more bite to it than PG...

Which is the *exact* opposite opinion from that of my (good) painter

Eh...good thing I'm happy enough with M105 or I'd have to get some PG and see how it works for me...experiences seem to vary with those two products.