Megs 105/205 & Mez SIP - Page 2

SuperBee364 · 07-06-09, 10:02

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

A "problem" (scare-quotes intentional) that I've been getting with M105 v2.0 is a light haze...sorta a pseudo-hologram effect...that seems to be caused by my wiping/buffing the product off. Yeah, "duh..it's a compound", but still. I'm even spritzing with #34 before buffing. It only shows up under *very* specific lighting conditions, the same ones that show holograms. It's usually easy enough to clear up, but on hard clear it takes a pad with a bit of cut to do it with M205.

I get sorta the same thing with M205 but that *appears* to be mainly a matter of polishing oils that don't play nice with certain paints.

In both these cases the paint appears perfect under 99% of the viewing angles/lighting conditions I'm using. It can take me many minutes of careful inspection to spot it (so gee, would it even matter to most people

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And I'm still not sure yet, but I don't *think* M205 is finishing out quite as nicely as 1z HG does.

Which is the *exact* opposite opinion from that of my (good) painter

Eh...good thing I'm happy enough with M105 or I'd have to get some PG and see how it works for me...experiences seem to vary with those two products.

That's really odd, Accumulator... I'd be willing to bet that if we did a poll among those that have used both PG and 105, they would all say that 105 (especially the original formula) has a ton more cut than PG. But again, it's all how you use it... you can use it very aggressively to get about as much cut as *any* rocks in a bottle compound out there. Or you can be gentle with it for SIP-class results. I wonder how jiggy your painter got with it?

I still wish Meg's hadn't taken the fangs out of 105 when they reformulated it.

OK, this has piqued my curiosity.. I'm gonna do a poll on this.

Accumulator · 07-06-09, 10:20

SuperBee364- My guy was using a pre-production sample of M105, I'd expect it to be like the v1.0. If he can find it (gave it to his wife to use on their stove or somesuch..) he's gonna let me have it and I'll see what it's like.

He woulda been using it via rotary/wool, if that makes any diff. And by the sound of it he didn't spend much time developing any M105-specific technique.

Eh...he's a self-decribed Menzerna fan anyhow

But I *was* surprised how he simply dimissed M105 as an also-ran. In *his* case, I'm cool with his sticking with whatever works for him, don't want the learning curve of any new product taking place on one of *my* cars, that's for sure!

Bullpup · 07-07-09, 07:10

Just wanted to say that m105 is simply amazing. Even with my limited experience, I am already getting results which could be considered "last step ready" if you were short for time. I am using purple foamed wool on a PC, which is what worked best after trying LC yellow and orange pads on a test spot. I would have never thought this much correction was possible without a rotary, and especially that it would finish up this clean. I am practicing on a 1999 Expedition which has never been garaged in its lifetime, and has never seen a detailer. Can anyone tell me how *hard* this clearcoat is compared to other makes?

SuperBee364 · 07-07-09, 07:38

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Originally Posted by Bullpup

Just wanted to say that m105 is simply amazing. Even with my limited experience, I am already getting results which could be considered "last step ready" if you were short for time. I am using purple foamed wool on a PC, which is what worked best after trying LC yellow and orange pads on a test spot. I would have never thought this much correction was possible without a rotary, and especially that it would finish up this clean. I am practicing on a 1999 Expedition which has never been garaged in its lifetime, and has never seen a detailer. Can anyone tell me how *hard* this clearcoat is compared to other makes?

Glad to hear it's working for you! Ford clear from back then isn't very hard.

SuperBee364 · 07-07-09, 07:44

Accumulator, the more I think about the "which has more cut, PG or 105?" question, the more I think you and your painter are right.

I've been confusing two things: 1. Amount of cut vs. unit of time. 2. Amount of cut for one application.

For one application of PG vs 105, I'd give the nod to PG (against original formula 105), and I'd give PG a blue ribbon vs. new formula 105.

However, when compared to amount of cut vs. time, both 105's would beat PG soundly. IMO.

Accumulator · 07-07-09, 09:24

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

...[consider]... two things: 1. Amount of cut vs. unit of time. 2. Amount of cut for one application.

For one application of PG vs 105, I'd give the nod to PG (against original formula 105), and I'd give PG a blue ribbon vs. new formula 105.

However, when compared to amount of cut vs. time, both 105's would beat PG soundly. IMO.

Ah, that could be it! He's *very* old-school even by my standards (you wouldn't believe the ancient B&D rotary that's his fave!) and generally takes as long as it takes to do things *the way he does 'em*, if you know what I mean. Three half-minute tries with M105 vs. one longer try with PG....well, I know what he'd say about that.

While I for one *love* the short work times of the M105/M205 twins, others probably dislike them just as fervently and prefer products that work in a different manner. So the M105/PG question might be apples/oranges in ways that aren't immediately obvious.

simplybao · 07-07-09, 09:35

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

And I'm still not sure yet, but I don't *think* M205 is finishing out quite as nicely as 1z HG does.

My thoughts exactly. I just tried the Meg's line a few weeks ago and I must say, I like the 1z HG better. It seems to finish off better, maybe it's all in my head. I'll post up pics of my experience with the M105 and M205 combo later.

Accumulator · 07-07-09, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

And I'm still not sure yet, but I don't *think* M205 is finishing out quite as nicely as 1z HG does.

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Originally Posted by simplybao

My thoughts exactly. I just tried the Meg's line a few weeks ago and I must say, I like the 1z HG better. It seems to finish off better, maybe it's all in my head..

You no sooner agree with me...and now I'm gonna change my tune! Well, maybe, sorta.

Noting that I have more experience with the 1Z HG, and that I'm comparing the results on different vehicles, and I'm switching from doing this via Cyclo to doing it via Flex, and that I don't do enough correction these days to, IMO, really have a decent knowledge base (gee, after all those qualifications what's my opinion even worth?!?)....

I tried a different burnishing routine with the M205- Flex/LC 7.5" black/speed "4", no real pressure after the first two motions across the area. Moderate arm/machine speed.

Turned out very nice and I'm sure not gonna bother trying to improve things by trying the 1Z HG. Nice and quick too, much quicker than the 1Z. Did use more pads and product though.

Eh...both are good but I'm sure finding the M205 to be a lot more time-efficient. I'm going from 6" *Griot's* orange to 7.5" LC black and getting a lot done with minimal work in a short period of time. So far so good...

Some day when I don't mind spending more time on this stuff (yeah, keep dreaming kid...) I do want to try burnishing with FPII. Guys like SuperBee364 have me convinced that it might make a little difference.

Mr. Vapor · 07-08-09, 06:23

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Originally Posted by Thats Fresh

i correct mostly bmws and the Menzerna line has worked great for me.
105/orange & 205/white would equate to SIP/orange & PO106/white. it seems to clean up real nice. and if followed up with PO85rd/blue its makes the paint POP.

but you can't go wrong with the 105/205 combo!

Hey,
nice avatar! i also have an e46 M3!

I'm very new to all of this (Check my new thread i just started)...

I'm looking at the PC7424 and the 105 / 205 combo. do you think i should use something else? (this is for a carbon black '06 M3)

Thats Fresh · 07-08-09, 07:02

ha thanks. i have smoked sides with LEDs now.

i do have 105/205 but i love PG/SIP/106FF/85RD options on the e46s paint.

Thats Fresh · 07-08-09, 07:03

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Originally Posted by 07e90

I think M105 has quite a bit more cut than SIP, while I haven't used power gloss, I think that would be a more valid equivalent. What I don't like is the fact that SIP fills and a iso wipdown is a must to check defect removal.

yes you are right. 105=PG. SIP's cut is just a one level from PG.

SuperBee364 · 07-08-09, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

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You no sooner agree with me...and now I'm gonna change my tune! Well, maybe, sorta.

Noting that I have more experience with the 1Z HG, and that I'm comparing the results on different vehicles, and I'm switching from doing this via Cyclo to doing it via Flex, and that I don't do enough correction these days to, IMO, really have a decent knowledge base (gee, after all those qualifications what's my opinion even worth?!?)....

I tried a different burnishing routine with the M205- Flex/LC 7.5" black/speed "4", no real pressure after the first two motions across the area. Moderate arm/machine speed.

Turned out very nice and I'm sure not gonna bother trying to improve things by trying the 1Z HG. Nice and quick too, much quicker than the 1Z. Did use more pads and product though.

Eh...both are good but I'm sure finding the M205 to be a lot more time-efficient. I'm going from 6" *Griot's* orange to 7.5" LC black and getting a lot done with minimal work in a short period of time. So far so good...

Some day when I don't mind spending more time on this stuff (yeah, keep dreaming kid...) I do want to try burnishing with FPII. Guys like SuperBee364 have me convinced that it might make a little difference.

My work here is done.