just bought a cyclo curious on pad/polish? i did search - Page 2

Accumulator · 03-28-09, 04:17

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Originally Posted by Mrnewgui

ok so it has been a long time but i have ordered my products i went with the kit from gloss-it. i got the evo cut evo polish and the extreme cut. i also bought the double sided pads green/white and yellow/orange. just had some questions. i am going to use the yellow pad with evo cut and see if i get the results i want after using alcohol/water wipe down....

Noting that I've never used the Gloss-It stuff, I don't know if I'd try the yellow pad first

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but then my questions are do i need to follow up with evo polish with a white pad?

Or maybe the green and *then* the white. I would *NEVER* expect the orange, let alone the yellow, pads to leave a ready-to-wax finish and even the green ones usually leave a finish that could still be improved upon (although we did get by OK with the green when those were all you could get). Yeah, that's just a rehash of what I posted previously but you still seem inclined to expect the yellow pads will leave a ready-to-wax finish and that's simply unrealistic. Even on the hardest clear, orange/yellow pads simply don't leave that nice a finish; it might look OK to some people, but once you've refined it with something more gentle it'll look a whole lot better.

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..and then the klasse? i guess im just kind of confused on all the steps?

I suggest you do your best to figure everything out before you try it. Have clear expectations so you'll realize if/when something is/isn't working right.

You'll need at least one milder combo follow-up after whatever combo you use for the aggressive correction. (OK OK that's the last time I'll say that.)

Aggressive combo then milder combo. Then maybe an *even milder* combo. (OK, that really *is* the last time...) Then the KAIO. Then the KSG. I wouldn't do the Klasse via machine but then again themightytimmah said it worked OK for him (if it does *NOT* work OK for you, well, told ya so

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Don't switch to the KAIO until the finish is as close to perfect as you want it.

I'd be hesitant to top the KSG until you get plenty of layers on there, and FWIW I don't top it at all as I'd rather just add more from time to time.

Mrnewgui · 03-28-09, 05:46

hey thanks for your help yes i have heard BAD storys using the cyclo for klasse..figured i would top klasse twins with p21s. thought i would do it all by hand...so what do you think i should try a yellow first? i dont have any real deep scratches just a few swirls...i will follow up with green then white...thanks again for all your help!

Accumulator · 03-29-09, 08:42

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..figured i would top klasse twins with p21s...

Eh..I still think

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I'd be hesitant to top the KSG until you get plenty of layers on there, and FWIW I don't top it at all as I'd rather just add more from time to time.

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..so what do you think i should try a yellow first? i dont have any real deep scratches just a few swirls...

I'd try the orange first with your most aggressive product.

Auto Concierge · 03-29-09, 08:54

For a guy just starting out, the one product you will have real results with in the Gloss-it range will be the one step polish. You will be able to use this one product with all the pads in the kit and have protection as on step has gloss finish in the product, for more serious marring use the orange pads and move down the list to the finer grade pads.

You will be able to do some pretty amazing stuff with the Cyclo without the risk you will incur with rotary correction until you make the jump to the next step, and you can still top with P21S if you desire.

Mrnewgui · 03-29-09, 04:50

just to clarify the steps...
thorough wash with dawn
clay
rinse again to get all the detailed off
polish with the combo that gets the best results
wipe with 50/50
polish again with a milder combo
wipe with 50/50
polish again with a milder combo if necessary
wipe with 50/50
rinse again
KLASSE AIO
wait 8 hours i think?
KLASSE SG
wait 8 hours
ANOTHER SG
wait 8 hours
top it with some P21s
stand back and droolllll
please correct me if i am missing anything!? thanks again for all your guys help! ill have to take lots of pics!

Accumulator · 03-29-09, 05:20

Mrnewgui- I wouldn't bother doing the IPA wipe before the KAIO as that'll clean things up by itself and there shouldn't be any marring left to be hidden by the time you switch to your milder polish.

No need to wait between AIO and SG, just go right from AIO to the SG.

I'd want more layers of SG on there than that, but that's just me. Make sure you want to top it before you apply that wax

Mrnewgui · 03-29-09, 10:52

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Mrnewgui- I wouldn't bother doing the IPA wipe before the KAIO as that'll clean things up by itself and there shouldn't be any marring left to be hidden by the time you switch to your milder polish.

No need to wait between AIO and SG, just go right from AIO to the SG.

I'd want more layers of SG on there than that, but that's just me. Make sure you want to top it before you apply that wax

okay good that will save me some time! i was planing on maybe 4 or 5 coats of SG? can i buff that off with the white pads? or should i just use a microfiber? i have also heard different story's about leaving it on and waiting for it to dry or wiping it off right away similar to tha AIO..i do know that less is always better with the SG but its always a little tuff to get off!
thanks again!

Accumulator · 03-30-09, 10:59

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okay good that will save me some time! i was planing on maybe 4 or 5 coats of SG?

More is better IMO. I doubt you'll see any appearance improvements after 4 but the more you do the longer it'll last.

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can i buff that off with the white pads? or should i just use a microfiber?

I'd use MF. I've experimented with LSP buffing via foam pads but I think MF is better.

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i have also heard different story's about leaving it on and waiting for it to dry or wiping it off right away similar to tha AIO..i do know that less is always better with the SG but its always a little tuff to get off!

I do it both ways- I W-O-W-O when applying to plastic trim and I let it sit when applying to paint/chrome/etc. IMO the longer it sits the easier it buffs off (I've experimented with as long as 3 days).

simplybao · 04-17-09, 03:16

I wanna chime in :-)....Accumulator is awesome. He knows his stuff. I now own a bunch of 1Z stuff.

I recently bought and tried the Gloss-it one step and I've gotta say WOW!

My first time out with the Cyclo and the 1z stuff wasn't so great. But after some work, watching videos, and listening to Accumulator, my results turned out much better.

For my Yellow jeep, the 1Z stuff was awesome and Accumulator's advice was spot on. For my black Cadillac, the 1Z stuff didn't work out all that great. I'm going to do the Caddy again in a few weeks, I'll report back with pictures and results.

So a couple of weekends ago, I tried the Gloss it one step. I did a friend's silver camry. I did a wash, clay, then one to the Gloss-It with the Orange pad. I was simply amazed by it's ability to take out swirls and rids. I stopped at the Orange pad. The reason I stopped there was because I tried the 1z HG on a green pad and I couldn't tell the difference in finish. I then tried 1z HG on white and couldn't tell a difference. So using only the Orange pad in this instance worked out great.

I'm no professional detailer and I'm sure that if an Autopian saw the work, I'm sure they could point out things that I was missing. I'd say that after the one step on orange, the paint was corrected about 80% -- which is good enough for most people and which far exceeded what my friend was expecting.

My point is, you're going to have to try different pad/polish combos on different paints.

If you want, I'm more than happy to send you some of my 1z stuff for you to try out :-). I have enough polish to last years and years since I'm not a pro and only do this a couple times a year.

Accumulator · 04-18-09, 09:32

simplybao- Glad you posted that, not knowing anything about the Gloss-It I found it interesting.

Maybe Gloss-It will be the ticket on the Cadillac...I use different combos for different vehicles.

Oh...and some time, try doing the 1Z HG step even though you don't see any big improvement. Sometimes the benefit is subtle and you don't notice it all that readily but it's still there. I've had that happen countless times; I'll think "oh, I'm wasting my time burnishing this silver..." but then later the light catches the car just right and it's "..oh [expletive!], this thing looks incredible, glad I did it after all".