KAIO failed me or I failed it!?!?!

murf'n'surf · 07-02-08, 02:18

I ran into a black Aston Martin Vantage with lots of spider webs and scratches from an aggresive clay bar. I used a PC with orange pad and KAIO -- after 2 rounds of buffing ALL scratches were gone in the halogen light and in the sunlight. The car sat in an A/C garage for 36 hours and then I applied 2 coats of KSG both 4 hours apart. After these steps the paint looked so deep and wet I was amazed. After 1 week of sitting in the garage and ONE trip out in the hot sun, the deeper clay bar scratches are back!! Where did I go wrong? I am guessing that the KAIO should not say on the bottle that it REMOVES scratches but it just fills them in. Enough reading bottle labels -- I have to ask you guys!

Please almighty Autopians come to my rescue and give me the magic combo of product and pad to cure this beautiful car!!

Holden_C04 · 07-02-08, 02:25

You need an abrasive polish to remove swirls, not an all-in-one like Klasse. It's designed to chemically polish the paint and remove light swirls.

I would suggest either Menzerna or 1Z polishes. Oh, and 4" pads, too.

RTexasF · 07-02-08, 02:26

KAIO is essentially a chemical paint cleaner with sealing properties. You need a polish to realize what you are trying to accomplish. There are hundreds that will work well so I'll pass on recommendations. It's possible you will need two polishes, one more aggressive and one less aggressive for final finish.

murf'n'surf · 07-02-08, 02:41

So KAIO is only good for next to perfect finishes?

I assume Aston's have a ceramic clear?

So if I went the MenZ way, what 2 products would be best? Intensive polish followed by Final Polish II? What pads on each?

Accumulator · 07-03-08, 10:57

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Originally Posted by murf'n'surf

So KAIO is only good for next to perfect finishes?

Yeah. Do the correction first and apply KAIO to a perfect surface. Beware the ad-copy hyperbole

And unless you're using the *Griot's* orange pad, use a much more gentle pad for the final few polishing steps. Most orange "light cut" pads don't leave nearly a good enough finish IME.

murf'n'surf · 07-03-08, 03:25

10-4. Thanks for the tip on the orange pads.

snowskate · 07-03-08, 05:29

I've heard the Klasse twins can actually make some scratches even more apparent? No?
I'd think of KAIO as more of a cleaner/surface prep for KSG rather than a polish.

murf'n'surf · 07-03-08, 05:32

It just amazes me how great the paint looked and how short of a period it lasted!! It didn't even make it 3 weeks or a wash!!! I looked at the car today and you can barley tell anything was done other than the butter smooth feel and shine.

Bence · 07-03-08, 05:51

KAIO contains a powder package too, so it is not strictly a chemical cleaner.

Accumulator · 07-04-08, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Bence

KAIO contains a powder package too, so it is not strictly a chemical cleaner.

Yeah, I can't quite remember what the micron rating is (was one micron on the older version IIRC), but it *does* contain abrasives. Now whether it'll be *functionally* abrasive on a given paint...well, that's a different subject

I can't recall it *ever* being functionally abrasive on any b/c paint, or even on ss black laquer for that matter (not a hint of pigment transfer from the Jag's door window frames, and that's some *VERY* soft paint).

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Originally Posted by snowskate

I've heard the Klasse twins can actually make some scratches even more apparent? No?

Yeah, it can make marring more obvious IME. But so an a lot of products...the shine just makes that happen in many cases.

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I'd think of KAIO as more of a cleaner/surface prep for KSG rather than a polish.

Yeah, functionally speaking in most cases (how's that for some qualifiers

But it's always been like that IME). The older version of AIO (similar to...uhm..oh, what's it called...Prime Strong?) had a bit more cut to it but that was a long time ago.