Menzerna Nano Polish PO106FF really necessary?

kav · 05-08-08, 08:53

I just finished a 6 hour marathon where I cleaned, clayed and polished the whole car (except the front clear bra).

I used Menzerna Super Intensive Polish PO83Q and the paint came out great. No marks, holograms, or scratches left over. Is it still necessary to go with the Menzerna Nano Polish PO106FF as suggested by others prior to sealing?

detaildoc · 05-08-08, 08:59

Not necessary if SIP did not leave minor swirls behind, but hitting it with 106ff will definitely improve the gloss and finish significantly. I strongly recommend you use 106ff with the white or gray pad. Do one panel, and see for yourself.

SuperBee364 · 05-08-08, 09:04

Once again, I agree totally with the good doc. SIP does leave a nice finish, but your car will *glow* after at least one application of 106. If you're using a PC, I'd do three applications, but that's just me. With a rotary, I do at least two applications. Since it sounds like the SIP got your paint all nice and corrected, I'd use the black/grey LC pad for the 106. It doesn't have any bite to it at all, and you'll realize 106's max potential that way.

kav · 05-08-08, 09:09

Alright, you guys have convinced me!

This is my first time with a DA polisher. I have both a lake county black and white pad left over to use tomorrow - I had been leaning towards the white pad since it would still give a little cut and I didn't want to do more than one application (I'm easing my way into this whole thing). Given this, would you still recommend the black pad?

detaildoc · 05-08-08, 09:11

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Originally Posted by kav

Alright, you guys have convinced me!

This is my first time with a DA polisher. I have both a lake county black and white pad left over to use tomorrow - I had been leaning towards the white pad since it would still give a little cut and I didn't want to do more than one application (I'm easing my way into this whole thing). Given this, would you still recommend the black pad?

Do the white if the car still has some minor swirls, if not, go for the black.

JoshVette · 05-08-08, 09:12

Don't forget to rewash it again before you apply your sealant/wax.

Menzerna uses a wax like lubricant which you'll need to remove before you apply any waxes.

Josh

Rob Tomlin · 05-08-08, 09:29

I agree with Doc, Supe, and Josh here!

I'd probably be inclined to try the white pad with the 106FF, just because I have used that combination myself with very good results.

Legacy99 · 05-08-08, 09:55

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Originally Posted by JoshVette

Don't forget to rewash it again before you apply your sealant/wax.

Menzerna uses a wax like lubricant which you'll need to remove before you apply any waxes.

Josh

Or an IPA, Prep Sol wipe down.

docrice · 05-08-08, 10:18

Perhaps I don't have an eye for it or I'm not that discriminating, but I finished with SIP via PC speed 6 and 4" orange pad on my '01 GTI last year, then stepped down to 106 with both 6.5" and 4" white pads and I couldn't tell any real difference. For this reason, I didn't use any of the 106 bottle that I have (and that's an expensive bottle).

Now that I have a rotary, I might hit it back this year with either the white or black /gray pad to see if I can make that extra glow come out. Am I the only one on with this experience?

Way2SSlow · 05-09-08, 04:37

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Originally Posted by docrice

Perhaps I don't have an eye for it or I'm not that discriminating, but I finished with SIP via PC speed 6 and 4" orange pad on my '01 GTI last year, then stepped down to 106 with both 6.5" and 4" white pads and I couldn't tell any real difference. For this reason, I didn't use any of the 106 bottle that I have (and that's an expensive bottle).

Now that I have a rotary, I might hit it back this year with either the white or black /gray pad to see if I can make that extra glow come out. Am I the only one on with this experience?

VW clear is hard. My sister used to have a black Jetta and it was crazy hard. It looked acceptable after a HTEC on a cutting pad at 1500rpm.

SuperBee364 · 05-09-08, 07:28

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Originally Posted by docrice

Perhaps I don't have an eye for it or I'm not that discriminating, but I finished with SIP via PC speed 6 and 4" orange pad on my '01 GTI last year, then stepped down to 106 with both 6.5" and 4" white pads and I couldn't tell any real difference. For this reason, I didn't use any of the 106 bottle that I have (and that's an expensive bottle).

Now that I have a rotary, I might hit it back this year with either the white or black /gray pad to see if I can make that extra glow come out. Am I the only one on with this experience?

This is why I would recommend three applications with a PC. A PC by it's very nature doesn't have much bite. So it will take multiple applications of whatever polish you're using to see the desired results. I'd be willing to bet that if I took my rotary and did two applications of 106 to your car after you SIP'd it with your DA, you would be singing an entirely different tune.

More discussion about using either the white or black pad: If you are not going to be doing any correction at all with your 106 step, *always* use the black pad. You don't want the pads bite interferring with your final polish. The bite of the pad will always prevent you from bringing out the best finish. You need a no bite pad to really reach the full potential of 106.

Rob Tomlin · 05-09-08, 08:38

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

This is why I would recommend three applications with a PC. A PC by it's very nature doesn't have much bite. So it will take multiple applications of whatever polish you're using to see the desired results. I'd be willing to bet that if I took my rotary and did two applications of 106 to your car after you SIP'd it with your DA, you would be singing an entirely different tune.

More discussion about using either the white or black pad: If you are not going to be doing any correction at all with your 106 step, *always* use the black pad. You don't want the pads bite interferring with your final polish. The bite of the pad will always prevent you from bringing out the best finish. You need a no bite pad to really reach the full potential of 106.

Is it difficult to break down the 106 when using a pad on a PC with zero bite?