Wool, what am I missing? - Page 5

SuperBee364 · 04-28-08, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Mindflux

I ended up ordering 6" Wool in Yellow/Green/Blue/White (Ultrafine) from Edge.

I was eyeing the Optimum line of products for polishing but found a few threads that pooh-poohed that with Wool.

Maybe my local PB&E jobber has some Presta 1500 and UCC.

The Menzerna line works *really* well with wool. Optimum Compound (not the Hyper compound) works very well with wool, and has a long working time. It does have a tendency to leave some pretty good compounding haze, though. HTEC also works well with wool, especially if you add a couple drops of OC to it to extend the working time.

My favorites with wool:

Heavy Hitter: Black (or yellow) wool with Menz PG. Serious correction, and not much compounding haze. It really finishes down very well for such a high degree of correction. IMO, it finishes down much better than OC does. I'm hoping this combo is gonna be replaced by M105... just haven't used it yet. Somewhere I have a link to a post on detailingworld where Dave KG was able to finish Menz PG down to an LSP ready finish. That's how good Dave and MPG are.

Medium correction: LC purple foamed wool with SIP. SIP can be a bit tricky sometimes, but adding a few drops of PO106FF will make it play nicely. SIP does play nicer with the green and blue LC pads than the purple foamed wool. You'll get better correction with the purple foamed, but if you don't need the extra cut, the green or blue edge is definitely easier to use with SIP than the purple foamed. Make sure you spur the pad after every application of SIP.

Finishing: Depends on the clear coat hardness. Really hard clears finish down *very* nicely with the white wool and PO106FF. Medium clears finish nicely with the white wool and regular old FPII. Soft clears, you pretty much have to finish with a foam finishing pad, wool just won't leave a satisfactory look. Generally, you can improve the look after using wool to finish with a really fine finishing polish (like PO85RD) and a foam finishing pad, but so far it's been a mixed bag for me; some cars it makes a tremendous difference on, some I wish I hadn't wasted the time doing another step after the white wool.

Mindflux · 04-28-08, 07:53

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

My favorites with wool:

Heavy Hitter: Black (or yellow) wool with Menz PG. Serious correction, and not much compounding haze. It really finishes down very well for such a high degree of correction. IMO, it finishes down much better than OC does. I'm hoping this combo is gonna be replaced by M105... just haven't used it yet. Somewhere I have a link to a post on detailingworld where Dave KG was able to finish Menz PG down to an LSP ready finish. That's how good Dave and MPG are.

Medium correction: LC purple foamed wool with SIP. SIP can be a bit tricky sometimes, but adding a few drops of PO106FF will make it play nicely. SIP does play nicer with the green and blue LC pads than the purple foamed wool. You'll get better correction with the purple foamed, but if you don't need the extra cut, the green or blue edge is definitely easier to use with SIP than the purple foamed. Make sure you spur the pad after every application of SIP.

Finishing: Depends on the clear coat hardness. Really hard clears finish down *very* nicely with the white wool and PO106FF. Medium clears finish nicely with the white wool and regular old FPII. Soft clears, you pretty much have to finish with a foam finishing pad, wool just won't leave a satisfactory look. Generally, you can improve the look after using wool to finish with a really fine finishing polish (like PO85RD) and a foam finishing pad, but so far it's been a mixed bag for me; some cars it makes a tremendous difference on, some I wish I hadn't wasted the time doing another step after the white wool.

Thanks Bee. Right now I've still got Menzerna IP and FP from ~2003 era. I'm going to use these up first. Though I need something for some heavier scratches, since it seems IP is good for 2000 grit. I'll see about picking up some Prima 1500 locally if I can.

Anything worse then 1500 grit is going to have to wait.

As for foam I have Yellow/Orange/White/Black 2003 era foam. CMA velcro backing logos on them. I'm not sure who made the pads back then. The Menz polishes always worked pretty dang well with the foam I have.. just looking to improve.

Denzil · 04-28-08, 09:28

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

The Menzerna line works *really* well with wool. Optimum Compound (not the Hyper compound) works very well with wool, and has a long working time. It does have a tendency to leave some pretty good compounding haze, though. HTEC also works well with wool, especially if you add a couple drops of OC to it to extend the working time.

My favorites with wool:

Heavy Hitter: Black (or yellow) wool with Menz PG. Serious correction, and not much compounding haze. It really finishes down very well for such a high degree of correction. IMO, it finishes down much better than OC does. I'm hoping this combo is gonna be replaced by M105... just haven't used it yet. Somewhere I have a link to a post on detailingworld where Dave KG was able to finish Menz PG down to an LSP ready finish. That's how good Dave and MPG are.

Medium correction: LC purple foamed wool with SIP. SIP can be a bit tricky sometimes, but adding a few drops of PO106FF will make it play nicely. SIP does play nicer with the green and blue LC pads than the purple foamed wool. You'll get better correction with the purple foamed, but if you don't need the extra cut, the green or blue edge is definitely easier to use with SIP than the purple foamed. Make sure you spur the pad after every application of SIP.

Finishing: Depends on the clear coat hardness. Really hard clears finish down *very* nicely with the white wool and PO106FF. Medium clears finish nicely with the white wool and regular old FPII. Soft clears, you pretty much have to finish with a foam finishing pad, wool just won't leave a satisfactory look. Generally, you can improve the look after using wool to finish with a really fine finishing polish (like PO85RD) and a foam finishing pad, but so far it's been a mixed bag for me; some cars it makes a tremendous difference on, some I wish I hadn't wasted the time doing another step after the white wool.

Nice post Supe! This is actually the kind of post I was looking for. I'm curious though, has anyone been able to 1-step (lightly swirled vehicle) with the LC purple foamed wool pad and OP or OPS?

I was actually thinking of doing that to my Integra but I'm kind of hesitant seeing that that combo may be too harsh for the soft Acura/Honda paint. What do you all think? Should I just go with a normal foam polishing pad? I want to see if anyone has tried this yet before I do it myself, hehe.

SpoiledMan · 04-28-08, 09:37

IP and purple foamed wool does superb on Honda clear.

Denzil · 04-28-08, 12:24

SpoiledMan, thanks for the heads up. While I don't have IP, I do have SIP! We'll see how that goes...

SuperBee364 · 04-28-08, 01:54

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Originally Posted by Denzil

Nice post Supe! This is actually the kind of post I was looking for. I'm curious though, has anyone been able to 1-step (lightly swirled vehicle) with the LC purple foamed wool pad and OP or OPS?

I was actually thinking of doing that to my Integra but I'm kind of hesitant seeing that that combo may be too harsh for the soft Acura/Honda paint. What do you all think? Should I just go with a normal foam polishing pad? I want to see if anyone has tried this yet before I do it myself, hehe.

Not with any of the Optimum polishes, but I have single-stepped cars with SIP/purple foamed wool, and also with 106ff and purple foamed wool. Weird combo, I know, but it worked well.

Honda paint corrects very well with SIP and purple foamed, but you'll definitely want to finish with a foam finishing pad and a gentle polish like FPIII. Sometimes 106ff will get grabby on soft clears and not leave a very good finish. I'd go right to a black LC foam finishing pad and FPII after correcting with SIP and purple foamed. Honda clear is so soft that even FPII on a finishing pad will get out whatever holos and haze the SIP/purple foamed left behind.

Scottwax · 04-28-08, 02:05

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Originally Posted by Picus

Sometimes I find Todd and I disagree about certain products and processes, but on this point I agree with him 100%. I always finish with foam.

In fact, I almost always cut with foam too. I guess I am one of the weird holdouts. I will cut with wool (aggressively), but in most cases I find foam has a better cut:finish ratio for me.

Same here. I only use wool if absolutely necessary and always finish with foam. I find that the Meguiars 8006 polishing pad and #105 will take care of most defects. Sometimes I do have to pull out a wool pad though, they work significantly better than foam cutting pads for me.

Scottwax · 04-28-08, 02:07

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Originally Posted by SpoiledMan

IP and purple foamed wool does superb on Honda clear.

#105 mixed with Optimum Compound with a Meguiars 8006 foam polishing pad and 1000 rpms works great too. Very minimal holograms too.

Denzil · 04-28-08, 02:27

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Originally Posted by Scottwax

#105 mixed with Optimum Compound with a Meguiars 8006 foam polishing pad and 1000 rpms works great too. Very minimal holograms too.

Sweet, that's also something I will try out, except with a Propel polishing pad.

Man, I feel like I have so many polishes now that I have to test them all with the LC purple now... actually, I probably will do that just so that my curiosity doesn't kill me over.

Mindflux · 04-28-08, 02:28

Just remember that #105 isn't a diminishing abrasive. It'll stay a constant cut the whole time until you break it down.

Denzil · 04-28-08, 02:33

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Originally Posted by Mindflux

Just remember that #105 isn't a diminishing abrasive. It'll stay a constant cut the whole time until you break it down.

Yeah, that was my concern with 105 on soft clears. I figured I wouldn't even bother using 105 on the Teg due to that fact.

I'll probably do it anyway as a test section when I find the time to test all my polishes on my LC purples and perhaps post some sort of personal review/comparison on my Teg.

gmblack3a · 04-28-08, 06:08

IMO Powergloss has been cast into the stone age since 3M ECC and M105 have hit the market.