Bad Experience with Menzerna 106ff

[charlesaferg]

Wonderful illistration, thank you for sharing.

I must say, that Porsche seems to have more orange peel than what I regularly run in to on that section of the car, I'm surprised.

Well, while we're at it... Here are my terrible photography skills, for the record.




...Camera went into night more, everything has motion blur. I'll have more photos eventually, and I'm sure you'll see them.
Regardless, you can see the relevant change of first stage polishing.

Later that evening...

[landcruiser]

I cropped and "zoomed" on that photo, which seems to bring out the OP in the photo.

Here are a couple of others--one inside and one outside --so you can see the difference.

BTW, looks like you did some very nice correction on that car.

[jw]

Thanks for the responses. The car is an 07 black carrera s. I think you're probably right, I was using too much polish and I was tryiing to do one panel at a time. I guess this was too much. So should I try this again with 106ff or should i purchase some SIP

[charlesaferg]

Originally Posted by jw

Thanks for the responses. The car is an 07 black carrera s. I think you're probably right, I was using too much polish and I was tryiing to do one panel at a time. I guess this was too much. So should I try this again with 106ff or should i purchase some SIP

I would recommend buying the polish first, you'll burn yourself out otherwise. Even though you used too much polish, you should have corrected a little bit, and it sounds like youn are completely unhappy with the results. Definitely buy the polish, you'll thank yourself later and maybe somebody else will too, seeing as you'll have some more experience. You know that you'll want to work on the buddy's car soon after you achieve victory.

[Deanski]

Nice to see another 997 owner here!! And another black 997 as well!!

Unless you have a whole lot of swirls from poor washing/drying etc, which BTW is very easy due to the softness of this paint, I'd still do smaller sections at a time with a white pad for finish polishing. If the finish has swirls, then yes, you need to step up to a more of a cutting polish. However, seeing this paint is very soft, use a white pad. Orange pads can be a bit too agressive on this paint.

Always, start soft, then work up if you're not getting results. Same for polishes, less abrasive first, work up.

I've seen orange pads produce haze on black 997 finishes if used incorrectly.

Dedicate enough time. Do not rush! Work the polish until fully broken down.

Some MF towels can be a bit too agressive as well when wiping off. You have to find ones that have enough bite for polish removal, but not too much or you're going to be in a vicious circle. Try 100% USA cotton with all trim removed and washed enough to be soft.

If you're using a "PC" bring up the speed and add enough pressure to keep the pad following the contour of the car, not too much to crush the pad or stop the "PC" from moving correctly.

106FF is a very light finishing polish used to remove very light sanding marks and mostly used on fresh paint. Then there's PO85RD which has a high gloss level and very very low cut level and used only for fine polishing. Both polishes are for hard clearcoat "Ceramiclear" and contain a whole lot of oils to run longer polishing time.

You can then maintain the finish by using a light cleanser such as P21S or other ones that are also AIO types (Klasse or Zaino).

Just be careful using MF's on the car as well. Not only do you have to worry about marring the finish, get too close to the front latch and have too much static from the MF's and you'll blow the latch module. Since yours is a '07, I think this has been addressed by Porsche. But, if the latch pops open, you may have this issue, just let the dealer know and they'll switch it out under warranty.

Enjoy your C2S!! I sure enjoy my C2S!!!!

Regards,
Deanski

[jw]

Deanski, what do you use on your 997? I'm very careful with my washing process but as you know even being very careful you can still get some light swirls. I only see my if in the right light.

[Deanski]

Originally Posted by jw

Deanski, what do you use on your 997? I'm very careful with my washing process but as you know even being very careful you can still get some light swirls. I only see my if in the right light.

One thing vital is a very "slippery" soap that has lots of lube. I use sheepskin mitts and several rinse buckets along with running water to try to remove any trapped dirt in the mitt.

Since I use Zaino, I've been using Z7 wash. I've also used 1Z Perls which is also a good wash. Anything that can lube well. ONR works very well in getting the dirt loose as well and does not require rise, but I do it anyway.

Once done, I dry with a HH leaf blower with a filter attached. As long as the area is still wet, no dirt will kick up. Remaining I get with a WWeave towel.

This paint is so soft, just looking at it the wrong way gets marring.

I feel your pain! It's tuff to keep it perfect, but we try as all hell to keep it that way.

Regards,
Deanski

[jw]

Those are the exact same products i use.

[SVR]

106 is a great swirl remover on soft to medium paint
Intensive is rarely need on a japanese car with soft paint