Car Dealership Detailing In Action!

[Thomas Dekany]

It is interesting how you are accusing people of it (putting people down), yet at the end of your very next sentence you do it. It maybe true that ""we" DON'T KNOW YOU, but that also goes for you. You don't know any of us either.

You dudes have no idea who I am, you just start putting people down. It must really hurt to see my videos and come to realize that you really are nothing but car washers & simple detailers.

[DaGonz]

DaGonz standing by some vehicles does'nt impress anyone. I removed epoxy overspray from175 vehicles in the building that the Ford GT40 video was shot. None of you have ever repaired this many cars from paint damage, not just can I wash your car and wax please. The total value of the vehicles on the 250 car group of POCI vintage & muscle car show and the privite owner of 175 cars is over $45,000,000 dollars. The videos are on my Youtube, Vimeo, Dailymotion, and websites from all over the world that feature my videos. You dudes have no idea who I am, you just start putting people down. It must really hurt to see my videos and come to realize that you really are nothing but car washers & simple detailers.

No.. it really hurts to watch you "attack" vehicles with a rotary and wool pad without doing proper prep work...

[Ron Ketcham]

Hey Jeff, happy thanksgiving!

Can you post up some pics after wiping off all the oils and illuminated with halogens?

Dan, when I retired from active business, bought my little house in a nice neighborhood, small town.
All the neighbors greeted me, made good friends, depend on each other, watch out for each others homes when out of town, help with some chores for the older ones, etc.
The first spring I was here, several of the neighbors were upset about all the varmits that were coming around at night.
Looked at a few things and pointed out that they were leaving some "food sources" that attacted the racoons, possums, mice, rats, etc.
We got together and stopped the leaving of food available to them and in a week or so, most were gone.
Some people will act like varmits as well, only they seek ego gratisfaction, since they have a problem with their self esteem.
The normal, everyday folks on this forum have gotten along very well since the change of ownership of the forum.
Now appears we have a varmit feeding on posts that regard him or his supposidly good work.
I for one and not going to post again on any thread where the varmit feeds.
Just a thought,
Grumpy

[Barry Theal]

Jeff,

First off, as a moderator of Autopia, Welcome to the forum. I'm sorry that many of our members see things differently then you do. Keep in mind that you have some of the world's best detailers on this site. Our members range from people who are new to detailing to some of the worlds finest talent. Then there are some very educated people in the automotive industry on this site. Many people read this site, some in which just lurk and not say a word. Then there are others who like to speak there mind. This is a great site indeed. We are very open about many things. As Autopians we try to practice the safest and most effectivce methods when it comes to vehicle car care. Im sure there are other ways of doing things. trust me I have made many mistakes over my career as a detailer. If you feel your methods for overspray removal are the right way. I would love to hear why. I think its great that you have traveled the world doing what you love to do. Detailing cars has taken me many places as well. I look foward to hearing more about your process in depth.

Scrape on Scrape off....
Barry Theal

[Thomas Dekany]

1 - this statement is the key here and why Autopians are "giving you a hard time". While I haven't seen your work in person and it maybe fantastic, based on what is seen in your videos i'd say that you cater to fairly low standards. To be honest, that is fine, since top quality work is pricey and most people wouldn't pay for it. Remember that the average person (that includes everyone at most dealerships) wouldn't and couldn't tell if your finish is as good as possible. I am sure that even you aren't aware how much better you could be. Following the same routine you have learned 20+ years ago proves that point.

2 - again it is funny how you make assumptions of the members here, yet you use terrible grammar to get your point across. I realize that it will not have an affect on one's skills, but since you brought it up, I thought it deserved a mention.

3 - yes I can remove hard water stains and all of the pros I know who post here also can) done it too many times - not very hard to do. Same with auto moldings, yes I can. Protective and marine coatings, the answer it yes. I can also remove RIDS/scratches from 3M clear bras.

Now, can you prove that you can level paint, not just glaze over it to look ok for a week. Are you willing to take that challenge? Out of all your videos or pictures, can you give us a link or post pictures/videos here to prove that we are wrong?

If you even reply to my post, repeating how you are the only one who removes overspray will not count.

Thanks for reading Jeff.

PS: I can post an example if you are not clear what you should be looking for.

That is real bug talk behind a key board. Did your dad not teach you to be a man. By the way everyone your **** talking is what started all these comments. I am not trying to make friends or influence anyone. I travel all over the world Russia, Japan, China, Dubai and everyone that I have ever met has never put my work down. The Reason behind that is the fact that you dudes are simple in the head. You would never even dream of preforming the kind of work demonstrated in my videos. Can any of you remove hard water stains, i can the videos are there. Can any of you pros remove overspray from auto moldings, i can and have the videos to prove it. Can any of you remove Protective and marine coatings overspray damage, I can the videos are everywhere.

[C. Charles Hahn]

BC2 is sorta like a diminishing abrasive version of D151 from Meguiar's.

So it's just like M66 (D151's predecessor), then....

Look guys i don't any of you, and would never post on your videos.

Isn't it a bit too late for you to make that statement? I mean, you already did post on the video of an Autopia member.

Opti-Coat 2.0 application.wmv - YouTube

[autoaesthetica]

So it's just like M66 (D151's predecessor), then....



Isn't it a bit too late for you to make that statement? I mean, you already did post on the video of an Autopia member.

Opti-Coat 2.0 application.wmv - YouTube

I would say M66 cleans a gazillion times better chemically, BC2 doesn't chemically clean as well, and D151 I think is a 30/30/30(correct,fill,clean) breakdown. But I think BC2 is sorta the competitor product. It's nice by DA


On the subject of the video of Rasky while staying out of the bickering here because I think we all know my feeling on this, in Rasky's video Charlie posted you wouldn't even be able to tell if it was swirled or not - wrong, non direct only ambient lightning. All of Rasky's other videos show him eliminating swirls and defect..

[Nth Degree]

You would never even dream of preforming the kind of work demonstrated in my videos.

You've got that right! I don't think anyone here would disagree on that point.

I have made many mistakes over my career as a detailer. If you feel your methods for overspray removal are the right way. I would love to hear why.

Jeff,

It may be possible that you have certain knowledge or skills that others could learn from, but just as you ask for "video proof" of others work, you are being asked to do more than say "I'm the best and the rest of you are clueless." Please provide a logical explanation rather than an emotional one. Some possible points for discussion:

How many microns are removed by your polishing, especially with wool pad on edge and passing over convex angles?

How do you polish over plastic trim with a 10" wool pad on a rotary @ ~1800 rpm without burning it?

How do you safely polish over painted plastic emblems and badges without damage?

In 30 years you must have plenty of knowledge about the risks and dangers of your methods and a specialized technique that you have developed that all these other top detailers are not yet aware of. Again... supporting EVIDENCE of YOUR work is what is being requested, not criticizing other's. People here have stated why your methods are risky and why the TRUE results are questioned.

I am sure that even you aren't aware how much better you could be. Following the same routine you have learned 20+ years ago proves that point.

Jeff,

If you have something to teach there are many here willing to learn. Are you open to learning? I am sure everyone here has learned something along the way that made them think "I wish I had learned that long ago." A genuine discussion of the pros and cons of techniques using scientific evidence could very well make all of us better detailers. If you are unwilling to partake in such a discussion then one can only assume it is because you FEAR you may have nothing of value to contribute. Please educate us and allow us to educate you.

[C. Charles Hahn]

I would say M66 cleans a gazillion times better chemically, BC2 doesn't chemically clean as well, and D151 I think is a 30/30/30(correct,fill,clean) breakdown. But I think BC2 is sorta the competitor product. It's nice by DA

Gotcha.

[michakaveli]

that chief is flogging that rotary around like a NASCAR car around Watkins Glen!

[ShineShop]

That is real bug talk behind a key board. Did your dad not teach you to be a man. By the way everyone your **** talking is what started all these comments. I am not trying to make friends or influence anyone. I travel all over the world Russia, Japan, China, Dubai and everyone that I have ever met has never put my work down. The Reason behind that is the fact that you dudes are simple in the head. You would never even dream of preforming the kind of work demonstrated in my videos. Can any of you remove hard water stains, i can the videos are there. Can any of you pros remove overspray from auto moldings, i can and have the videos to prove it. Can any of you remove Protective and marine coatings overspray damage, I can the videos are everywhere.

Jeff I hate to break it to you but let me explain in the nicest way possible - you are not a unique snowflake. Nothing you are doing is innovative, or unique. There are scores of people on this site alone that do everything you offer and far, far more. People like you are everything that is wrong with the auto recondition business - HUGE attitude, nothing to back it up. I could lecture you about the videos you are so proud of about your terrible grammar, shabby appearance and uneducated content you espouse in them but I won't - it isn't productive and frankly I doubt you would understand.

How people that ultimately shine, polish, clean or service cars in one way or another develop the grandiose, overinflated sense of self worth I have seen since the beginning of these forums on the internet is beyond me. At the end of the day, it's all about money and does your business make any. I often laugh that many of the loudest voices like yourself have the least to show for all the big talk they do. If this is your thing and you think talking big on an internet forum is going to impress people - have at it Hoss. There are people I have met and seen on forums such as this I really am impressed by and am honoured to have met - because not only are they quality people but they are highly trained, intelligent business people. Sadly Jeff, you aren't one of them. I'm not impressed in the least. Your methods you tout in your videos are half *** and most likely destructive and your attitude that you're a one of a kind specialist is laughable (your polishing technique on that Volvo was frightening).

We don't even specialize in overspray removal in my shop like you do and I have serviced thousands of overspray jobs ranging from 2 part epoxy, polyurethane roofing insulation, concrete splatter, heavy mineral/rust deposits, latex/alkyd paint splatter, graffiti, road paint and MANY others. They are all corrected properly and restored to better than new condition using correct techniques we acquired through training at several qualified sources over 18 years in business. Rather than run your mouth maybe you should take a step back and imagine you might just be able to learn something here. People like Ron Ketchum have a wealth of knowledge to share earned over a long industrious career - you should really take advantage of that rather than just talking smack about people being "car washers" to help soothe your wounded ego.

[mikenap]

BC2 is sorta like a diminishing abrasive version of D151 from Meguiar's. You can use it as a finishing step if needed. Its probably one of the better AM refinishing products, not AMAZING OMOGMOMGOMG, but its pretty good.

EDIT. BTW, have a great restful thanksgiving everyone.

Thanks for the reply Mike.