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Old 01-23-07, 10:29   #1 (permalink)
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Barry Meguiar a bible thumper?

Former exec in Irvine says he was fired over religion
Discrimination suit alleges car wax manufacturer had expected him to be 'on fire for Jesus.'
By Christopher Goffard, Times Staff Writer
January 23, 2007


A former executive of an Irvine car wax manufacturer alleges in a lawsuit that the company fired him because he had not pursued "a Christian lifestyle" and wasn't "on fire for Jesus."

Atticus O. Firey, 34, of Newport Beach contends Meguiar's Inc. committed religious discrimination when it fired him in July after nearly 10 years with the company. Company president Barry Meguiar repeatedly urged Firey, then the chief operating officer, to attend church, the suit alleges, and told him he was "robbing this company of the blessing of God by not being on your knees and on fire for Jesus."

Meguiar, who is host of a cable TV and radio program called "Car Crazy," did not return a call seeking comment. His lawyer, Richard Ruben, said religion had nothing to do with Firey's firing. He said the company's senior management decided to terminate Firey because his job performance was sub-par, with a management style that was "demeaning" and "negative."

"The company was suffering economically, and Mr. Firey was not showing up at the office and was only sporadically attending to his duties," Ruben said.

He added that the company's management includes "people of all religions" and characterized the lawsuit as a "publicity stunt." He said he expected a judge to throw out the suit, because Firey had previously agreed to submit to arbitration, rather than go to the courts, should such a dispute arise.

The suit, filed Friday in Orange County Superior Court, says Meguiar sat in Firey's office and read to him from the Bible, thrust Christian books on him and demanded he read them and forced managers to attend prayer meetings. When Firey asked about a promised bonus, the suit says, Meguiar said he would not give it to him until Firey joined a Christian church.

Confronted with his behavior, the suit says, Meguiar said he had the right to manage the business, which has some 300 employees, by the tenets of Pentecostal Christianity.

The company hired and fired employees based on religion, the suit says, with Meguiar tutoring executives on how to interview prospective employees in a way that elicited information on their religious beliefs. In one case, Meguiar asked a candidate whether he thought he would go to heaven or hell if he died today, the suit says. When the candidate said he was a Catholic trying to lead a virtuous life, the suit alleges, Meguiar replied that merely "being a good person and following a works-oriented religion" would not save him from hell.

Firey, who is Meguiar's former son-in-law, alleges in his suit that in another instance, his boss tried to block the hiring of an employee because she was living "in sin as a fornicator" with her boyfriend.

"If there were two candidates and one was a Christian but had lesser skills than a non-Christian, Mr. Meguiar would pick the Christian," the suit alleges. In one case, the suit says, Meguiar blocked the hire because he was not "Christian" and accepted a weaker candidate who went to church.

Stuart Jasper, Firey's attorney, said the lawsuit was necessary because the company had "reneged on its obligation to pick an arbitration service." The lawsuit asks for unspecified damages and asks the court both to compel arbitration and to prevent the company from continuing the alleged discriminatory practices.

Jon Gunnemann, a professor of social ethics at the School of Theology at Emory University in Atlanta, said all companies have a "corporate culture," often with powerful implicit signals — such as what kind of jokes are acceptable — that define their boundaries.

"You learn very quickly what can get you hired and what can get you fired," he said. "Almost every business does have a corporate culture which functions not much differently from explicit religious belief. It's not easy to say why the one is all right and the other is not."
 
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Old 01-23-07, 10:33   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Barry Meguiar a bible thumper?

I heard about this inner feuding a while back. I did not know it escalated to this though.
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Old 01-23-07, 11:14   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Barry Meguiar a bible thumper?

I got the impression when I was out in Irvine a few years ago that Barry Meguiar was a strong Christian. Never brought it up to me when I met him though.

When I was in college, I worked at Grandy's, which was owned at the time by a couple of very religious brothers. While no one in management forced religion on anyone, bad language was definitely not tolerated at all and the other managers would give the one Jewish manager a hard time every once in a while. Mostly in a kidding manner though.
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Old 01-23-07, 11:35   #4 (permalink)
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Interesting.

My cousin use to work for Chic Fillet when he was in high school, now that company is the definition of bible thumping, stores only played christian radio staions, they would hold pep rallies that were focused on religion etc. The owner even says he's deeply religious (ya think lol). My cousin could careless so he didn't go to the rallies etc and was fired. A girl he knew as well was fired, seemed the oens who stayed were the ones who went to their bible thumper rallies LOL.

Personally I'm half/half but could careless about religion, we celebrate x-mas and hanukkah butt I don't understand why so many people take religion so seriously, one of my friends neighbors has his hedges trimed into the shape of crosses, I mean com'on lol.
 
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Old 01-23-07, 11:45   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Barry Meguiar a bible thumper?

I don't know if the suit has merit or not, but when the article mentioned that the guy is Meguiar's former son-in-law it became obvious there's a lot of baggage mixed up in this whole thing.
 
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Old 01-23-07, 12:13   #6 (permalink)
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I don't know if the suit has merit or not, but when the article mentioned that the guy is Meguiar's former son-in-law it became obvious there's a lot of baggage mixed up in this whole thing.

Good point........there's likely a bit of truth to each side's story. Also likely - some truths that will never come to the surface.
 
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Old 01-23-07, 12:19   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Barry Meguiar a bible thumper?

Glad I live in Texas where a person is allowed to run their own business as they choose and fire someone for any reason they please.

If Barry Meguiar does in fact seek out Christians for his business, I applaud him.
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I've worked for a company that had a very outward policy on their religious stance and it gave me the heebie-jeebies. I guess it works well as a marketing tool but I much rather prefer neutral environments. The thing that got to me was upon quitting, I maintained a good relationship with everyone at the company, and my boss at the time said to refer anyone for the job who "was one of us".. strange since I never mentioned that I was atheist/agnostic.
 
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Re: Barry Meguiar a bible thumper?

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Glad I live in Texas where a person is allowed to run their own business as they choose and fire someone for any reason they please.

If Barry Meguiar does in fact seek out Christians for his business, I applaud him.
To each his own . . .

I'd certainly never advocate that government should dictate who Barry can fire and hire, as my politics are pretty libertarian, and I take freedom of association seriously. On the other hand, I don't like bigots, and won't do business with them if I can avoid it. Once I'm done with the last few Meg's products on my shelf, I'll find replacements from another manufacturer.

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Re: Barry Meguiar a bible thumper?

I know US Plastics who I order a lot of detailing supplies from sends overtly Christian literature in the package looking to preach to people. I simply mail it back to them in an envelope. Plastic Tanks, Plastic Buckets, Plastic Bottles and Labware, DVD Cases - United States Plastic Corporation ®

I didn't bid on some Meguiar's eBay auction they had a while ago because the proceeds benefited a religious organization that seemed to use the Bible in their own "Christian" way to help people get off drugs. After viewing the organization's website in detail, It seemed exclusionary and an underhanded way to "recruit" people by manipulating them at a major low point in their life. It was too "Evangelical, Jerry Falwell" for me. I guess if you weren't Christian you wouldn't fit in to receive their Bible treatment since it wasn't non-denominational. I have no issue with that for others, but personally, I didn't want my money going towards it so I chose not to participate. I believe in helping people based on humanitarian reasons, not with a religious caveat meaning if you don't accept AB or C, you won't get well or you won't receive treatment or that you are a bad person. Or that you need the Bible for all this (trade one addiction for another as some AA members once told me).

What makes this country great is the freedom to do just that; to be religious and exercise it whether in your privately owned company or home. Or vise versa; not to be religious. We are a religious country, the corner stone founded on religious values penned on many government buildings, monuments, currency and most importantly The Declaration of Independence. But note that the word "Christian" or "Jesus" does not appear. Rather there is talk of the "Creator", "Almighty" and "God." George Washington had a Rabbi perform his services with two other clergy at Washington's first inauguration in 1790!

I feel Barry Meguiar as owner of a private company, can have an overt Christian influence in his company. That trumps my opinion on religion. I feel he has that right. However, I feel you can't force someone to participate in it and if you are fired because you declined, then that isn't right either.

With all these type of lawsuits, who knows the true story. All I do know is that religion and politics always bring out trouble!

But I do feel calling people "Bible Thumpers" or "Jesus Freaks" is not appropriate. It serves no point. If religion helps individuals (of ALL faiths) lead what they consider a moral, clean life, then that is excellent. But don't then use your religious OPINION to pass judgment on me as a non Christian. Like Tort said, that "bigot" thing doesn't pass mustard with me. We're in the 21st Century, enough with the medieval mentality.

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Glad I live in Texas where a person is allowed to run their own business as they choose and fire someone for any reason they please.

If Barry Meguiar does in fact seek out Christians for his business, I applaud him.
... and I am glad to live in the state that does not tolerate discrimination and applaud every state and every person that is capable of treating all human beings with equal respect.
 
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So "Bring Your Child to Work" day at Meguiar's is probably not a good idea????
 
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