My restored M1 Garand. Pics - Page 2

Scottwax · 05-03-06, 01:41

Best gun detailing I've ever seen!

The grain on the stock is beautiful!

Spilchy · 05-04-06, 04:11

Sweet! When I play my WW2 computer games, I always carry one when I'm an American. You can squeeze off an entire clip rapid fire obviously faster than a bolt action. However, it usually requires 2 sometimes 3 shots to eliminate the enemy when the bolt action takes one shot.

That's a beautiful piece of history. Congrats on the fantastic restoration!

percynjpn · 05-05-06, 06:28

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Originally Posted by Spilchy

Sweet! When I play my WW2 computer games, I always carry one when I'm an American. You can squeeze off an entire clip rapid fire obviously faster than a bolt action. However, it usually requires 2 sometimes 3 shots to eliminate the enemy when the bolt action takes one shot.

Well, that's odd, because the Garand became renowned not just for it's rapid fire ability, but its accuracy as well. Though the Army, and particularly the Marines, were reluctant to part with their bolt-action "Springfields" at the beginning of the war, they soon discovered that they lost nothing in accuracy, but gained everything in, well, everything else. On the ground, probably the one piece, next to the jeep, that proved indispensable for U.S. ground forces in WW II.

tanha · 05-05-06, 06:52

Wow, that is a beautiful rifle. I hope to add one to our collection someday, but money's too tight right now.

Accumulator - Sounds like if I don't see you at the track, I might see you at the range...

Accumulator · 05-05-06, 08:03

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Accumulator - Sounds like if I don't see you at the track, I might see you at the range...

Heh heh, that's another thing my wife and I don't do nearly enough of these days...

Spilchy · 05-05-06, 01:53

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Originally Posted by percynjpn

Well, that's odd, because the Garand became renowned not just for it's rapid fire ability, but its accuracy as well.

I wasn't referring to accuracy but rather the need for 2 or 3 bullets hitting the target to eliminate it, instead of one bullet. Maybe it is a smaller caliber? I don't know.

Accumulator · 05-05-06, 02:32

IMO it's just a matter of the game not accurately reflecting reality. The US .30-06 and the German 7.92 are so ballistically similar that it's silly to say one is more/less effective than the other. IIRC, the insignificant advantage would actually go to the Garand's .30-06 which was eventally determined to be "overkill" and was toned down to be more like the Mauser's 7.92 with the result being the 7.62/.308 NATO round used in the M14.

twitch · 05-05-06, 03:13

I know very little if anything about guns but I am from the N.O. area and know first hand what flood water does to whatever it gets its hands on.

The after pictures are beautiful. The gun looks fantastic!

I am happy that you were able to salvage it.

Spilchy · 05-05-06, 03:43

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Originally Posted by Accumulator

IMO it's just a matter of the game not accurately reflecting reality. The US .30-06 and the German 7.92 are so ballistically similar that it's silly to say one is more/less effective than the other. IIRC, the insignificant advantage would actually go to the Garand's .30-06 which was eventally determined to be "overkill" and was toned down to be more like the Mauser's 7.62 with the result being the 7.62/.308 NATO round used in the M14.

Interesting because I get the same thing when I use the German Gewehr 43 and even the MP40 whose accuracy seems suspect. Same applies to the US "Grease Gun." It takes 2 or 3 shots.

But with the US Browning Automatic Rifle (a bit slow, lumbering and cumbersome) and German MP44 (my favorite weapon), those suckers take one shot like the Mauser Karabiner 98k and Springfield M1903A4. That Browning is no joke! The Thompson (another gun in the game) is a fun, lightweight gun to use. That thing sprays some serious lead!

The game is fairly realistic. It even accounts for where you hit the enemy as to determine whether he dies with one shot. I seemed to have failed to mention that when discussing the leathality of the Garand with one shot. Hehehe, if you hit him in the helmet, it flies off and he turns around with a stunned look on his face and goes back to firing at you. That happens to me when I use the sniper rifles sometimes when I go for a head shot. I prefer the cross hair sight on the Springfield sniper rifle compared to the German sniper rifle.

When I read the credits, they have all sorts of historians who acted as consultants during the creation of the game. After seeing the series Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan, this game is very similar.

You can watch a trailer of it here: http://www.callofduty.com/ Click on "Enter Call of Duty 2 Available Now" on the right hand side. The trailer plays on its own.

For what its worth, I think the Soviet weaponry is the best to play with. I really like the PPS-43 (the best submachine gun) and the PPSh-41. I don't like the British weapons except the Lee-Enfield. The Bren is awful!

Accumulator · 05-06-06, 08:19

Spilchy- Interesting about how the different arms/calibers are rated. Again (and I'm not gonna thread-jack by going into detail), not very realistic. FWIW, I probably know a lot more about small arms of this era than I do about detailing

GearHead_1 · 05-06-06, 09:30

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Originally Posted by Spilchy

The Thompson (another gun in the game) is a fun, lightweight gun to use. That thing sprays some serious lead!

Don't know anything about the game but in real life a Thompson is anything but light considering it's overall length. In fact it's surprisingly heavy. Many Thompson's had drum magazines that would hold up to 100 rounds of .45 ammo. Even the 30 round stick magazine isn't light. An M1 Carbine (.30)on the other hand is very light and doesn't have near the power of a M1 Garande (30.06). It makes me wonder if this isn't the gun being used in the game.

There were several weapons that carry the M1 designation. There's the M1 Garande, M1A .308, M1A1 Thompson and of course the M1 Abrams (not a gun in the stricktest sense).

By the way that's a beautiful Garande.

Intel486 · 05-06-06, 11:07

Spilchy, the game is doing it not to accurately represent history but to make the game play between the two sides even. If the US had a semi-auto rifle that had one shot kills 90% of the time, then who would want to play on the German side with their slow firing bolt-acion rifle?

GearHead_1, I agree. In real life the thompson is a heavy and somewhat uncomfortable weapon. They look cool... until you pick on up to shoot.

The M1 Carbine is a cool little rifle. I want to add one to my collection. It shot a pistol style caliber bullet and a lot of the soldiers who carried it didn't like it because it lacked the penetrating power of the 30-06. It was light weight though. It is a smaller carbine though compared to the M1 Garand with is a heavy main battle rifle.