Carpenters - Framing Nailer question - Page 2

zippymbr · 01-26-06, 12:25

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Originally Posted by Terran

I think the hitachi might be a bit cheaper than the others so that might be why there are alot of them.

The Hitatchi is actually more expensive than the PC nailer. You see more of them because they just don't break. When I ask around befoe I buy I specificaly ask what breaks down the least. I can learn to use any tool, but I hate to have a broken one.

JDookie · 01-26-06, 12:37

Zippy's right on that one too. The Hitachi is $319 and the PC is $249 from Lowe's or $199 off the net. I'm not really concerned about the price too much because they all seem to be in the same "ballpark", but I *am* concerned about function and quality.

zippymbr · 01-26-06, 01:20

Thanks, I am the Tool Man. Tools are my passion. I don't but certain tools on the net except at Amazon because of service and returns. Amazon is the only place that makes returns easy and gives you a good price. Nails either clipped or full head are easy to find, I usually but the brand name Hitachi nails at my supply house. They just work better.

JDookie · 01-26-06, 03:58

So the only advantage to a clipped nail, is that more of them can fit in the nailer at a time? I know for a fact that clipped nails are allowed here in New Orleans because there are a lot of builders using them, and inspectors are being really strict right now. Anyway, if this is the case, I would think that the clipped nails would be better since you don't have to stop as often to reload?

BigChevMan · 01-26-06, 06:24

Go with the paslode. it's easy, portable and scary powerful. I drove a 4" framing nail through 2 pieces of 4x4 and into a stud.

zippymbr · 01-27-06, 05:06

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Originally Posted by BigChevMan

Go with the paslode. it's easy, portable and scary powerful. I drove a 4" framing nail through 2 pieces of 4x4 and into a stud.

I love the Paslode guns for repair work and small jobs. Going airless is great if you are up on a ladder or on a roof. The downside is the cost to operate, not as quick to nail, cost of purchase, lots of maintainance. Don't get me wrong these guns have their place, but not in a framing job.

BigChevMan · 01-27-06, 09:21

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Originally Posted by zippymbr

I love the Paslode guns for repair work and small jobs. Going airless is great if you are up on a ladder or on a roof. The downside is the cost to operate, not as quick to nail, cost of purchase, lots of maintainance. Don't get me wrong these guns have their place, but not in a framing job.

How are they not as quick to nail? I never once had a problem shooting nails back to back. I used a friends to build 3 20x20 storage barns and never once had a jam or any other type of problem. Overall I think they are cheaper to care for because you don't have to include a compressor in the mix, hose, fittings, etc that you do with a regular gun. Around here they cost the same price as the high quality bosch or other framing nailers, and shoot the clipped nails too.

zippymbr · 01-27-06, 06:31

The recycle time between shots is not as fast. This is not a big factor until the gas cartrage is running down or the batteries get old and you have to wait longer between shots. Maybe they have gotten better since last time I used them. A compressor is a pain, but a usefull pain. I did not realize that these paslode guns had gotten cheaper. A few years ago they were still over $400.

JDookie · 02-03-06, 02:44

New question. I'm sure this is a very amateur question, but what does it mean when they mention the degree of the fastener? For instance, full round head nailers use 22 degree nails, and clipped head nailers use 30 to 34 degree nails.

It was my understanding that the only difference between clipped and full head nailers was that the clipped nailers held more nails, but after looking at the Porter Cable ones, the difference is only 2 nails. So, if they basically hold the same amount of fasteners, is there another difference?

The Beef · 02-03-06, 05:39

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Originally Posted by JDookie

New question. I'm sure this is a very amateur question, but what does it mean when they mention the degree of the fastener? For instance, full round head nailers use 22 degree nails, and clipped head nailers use 30 to 34 degree nails.

It was my understanding that the only difference between clipped and full head nailers was that the clipped nailers held more nails, but after looking at the Porter Cable ones, the difference is only 2 nails. So, if they basically hold the same amount of fasteners, is there another difference?

Full round heads are like the regular nails you drive with a full circle head and the clipped have a little part off the head. I dont know why they just didnt use full round heads in the first place. I would recommend Senco or PC guns. I personally like PCs and like you I have the finish, brad, and stapler. I use the PC FC350 and at my work we use mainly sencos. Both clipped head and full head come in a variety of degrees and some nail strips are held toghether with plastic and some with paper. My guns are with the paper type. They are worth there money. Living here in Louisiana the house building is still booming and when we get one it pays for itself the first day.

JDookie · 02-03-06, 05:48

So where does the "degree" part come into play? Is this the angle at which the nails are packaged/loaded into the gun? I'm lost on this one. Why different degrees?

zippymbr · 02-03-06, 05:54

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Originally Posted by JDookie

New question. I'm sure this is a very amateur question, but what does it mean when they mention the degree of the fastener? For instance, full round head nailers use 22 degree nails, and clipped head nailers use 30 to 34 degree nails.

It was my understanding that the only difference between clipped and full head nailers was that the clipped nailers held more nails, but after looking at the Porter Cable ones, the difference is only 2 nails. So, if they basically hold the same amount of fasteners, is there another difference?

The only read difference I have found using both is how the nails are held together. Clipper nails are usually held together by a thin wire or paper/glue. Most full head are spaced by plastic. Which makes a bigger mess on the job site. Do not be fooled by the amount of nail they hold. Cliped head mags are shorter, full head mags are much loner so they can fit the same amount of nails.