GM Quality Control - Page 8

Setec Astronomy · 12-27-05, 10:56

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Originally Posted by SpoiledMan

There was the Bonneville and Grand Prix but IIRC the Bonny is dead.

These were never the same car, but there are plenty of GM examples: Caprice/Impala, Century/Regal, LeSabre/Park Ave. There were some wheelbase variations on the Buicks, but same platform. Unless you were referring to 20+ years ago when they had a "Bonneville G" I think it was called, which was the Bonny namplate on an A-body (Grand Prix/LeMans).

SpoiledMan · 12-27-05, 10:59

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These were never the same car, but there are plenty of GM examples: Caprice/Impala, Century/Regal, LeSabre/Park Ave. There were some wheelbase variations on the Buicks, but same platform. Unless you were referring to 20+ years ago when they had a "Bonneville G" I think it was called, which was the Bonny namplate on an A-body (Grand Prix/LeMans).

I could be mistaken but in recent years you almost couldn't tell them apart.

Aurora40 · 12-27-05, 11:53

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Originally Posted by kgb

I'm sorry but 303 ponies from a V8 nowadays does nothing for me except make me ask why they like to waste gas. Subaru gets 300 horses out of a flat 4.

Maybe you should check the numbers... The Subie gets 18mpg city/24 highway, and that's in a much smaller car with a manual tranny. The Impala SS gets 18 city/28 highway in a full-sized family car with an automatic. So who is it that's wasting gas?? But the Sub motor makes less torque and probably requires more maintenance and repairs, so there's that. At least you can feel good about your "specific output" when the SS owner nails you from a roll or passes you while your at the gas station.

kgb · 12-27-05, 12:10

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Originally Posted by Aurora40

Maybe you should check the numbers... The Subie gets 18mpg city/24 highway, and that's in a much smaller car with a manual tranny. The Impala SS gets 18 city/28 highway in a full-sized family car with an automatic. So who is it that's wasting gas?? But the Sub motor makes less torque and probably requires more maintenance and repairs, so there's that. At least you can feel good about your "specific output" when the SS owner nails you from a roll or passes you while your at the gas station.

Well, for one it is only a 2wd car. Anyone knoes AWD will require more gas. But the Subie has close to he same torque if not more. 300@4000 compaired to 323@4400. And I don't know why it would have more maintenance and repairs?

Tasty · 12-27-05, 01:38

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Originally Posted by Scottwax

But Edwin....the new 7 series is UGLY!

Look at Nissan, the G35 coupe and 350Z are different, new and stunning to look at.

The G35 is stunning, the Z is just plain ugly.

Aurora40 · 12-27-05, 01:49

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Originally Posted by kgb

Well, for one it is only a 2wd car. Anyone knoes AWD will require more gas. But the Subie has close to he same torque if not more. 300@4000 compaired to 323@4400. And I don't know why it would have more maintenance and repairs?

Ok, I can spell it out even more if you'd like. You said the V8 is a waste of gas. In fact it goes 4 miles further for every gallon of gas burned on the highway. Now it's about how many wheels are driven? I guess everyone knows AWD uses more gas, but no one (or at least you don't) knows that automatics use more gas, as do bigger cars. You made the claim about mileage and were wrong, it's as simple as that.

Apparently I should spell out the torque too. 323 is greater than 300. Specifically, it is 23 lb-ft greater. While it may be "close to the same" depending on your point of view, there is no circumstance under which 300 is more than 323. If that's not quite clear, then let's pretend this "T" is a pound-foot. Then here's how many more the Impala SS's lame wasteful motor has over the Subie:

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As to maintenance, "everyone knows" that turbo cars typically have more frequent oil change requirements, tend to go through plugs faster, and in general just do not last as long. The turbo itself will likely not last the life of the car, unless you consider the car's life to end whenever the engine/turbo lets go.

FalconGuy · 12-27-05, 01:58

This thread caused a discussion at work, between the 10 or 15 guys who joined the email poll , not one would buy or recommend a GM product to their friends or family. More importantly when someone added the question would you buy your child a GM product to send them off to college all responded with the lowest possible score ( Absolutely not, would buy a used Toyota first).

Working in avition and traveling quite a bit I get to try GM products, from Impalla's to Cadilacs with as few as 100 miles on them as rentals. I cant begin to tell you the poor quality control I have seen first hand, from seatbelts not connected on a 2005 Cadilac to paint applied over dirt on a 2005 Pontiac., not just one either the entire rental lot was full of them. I cant recall the model of Pontiac but I took pics, hopefuly I have them still and I will post them.

Keep in mind all of us are mid 30's to mid 40"s and making well above avg $, and not one person would consider buying any of the multitude of GM products?

GM wont be around much longer. The shame of it all is they will suck tons of our tax dollars to prop up this inefficient bloated company with no products worth buying simply because the economics of loosing GM jobs and the power of those who killled the company to begin with, the unions.

GM's motto should be " Come on, one more car before you die"

Anyone under 60 buying a GM today ( Trucks excluded ) should have their head examined.

SpoiledMan · 12-27-05, 02:03

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Originally Posted by FalconGuy

GM's motto should be " Come on, one more car before you die"

Anyone under 60 buying a GM today ( Trucks excluded ) should have their head examined.

Uh ohhhh......

I asked my sister last night if there was *any* domestic brand car that she would buy and her response was that she might consider a truck but none of the cars would even get a second glance. I asked why and she basically said that the cars she sees on the street while still being pretty new don't look to be holding up well.

Aurora40 · 12-27-05, 02:32

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Originally Posted by FalconGuy

GM wont be around much longer. The shame of it all is they will suck tons of our tax dollars to prop up this inefficient bloated company with no products worth buying simply because the economics of loosing GM jobs and the power of those who killled the company to begin with, the unions.

While it's a shame people you work with feel that way, that's hardly a very good point. I could ask all the people in a car club what kind of car they'd buy. How good of a random sample would that be?

However, how will GM suck tons of tax dollars? And where does the "inefficient" come from? They have the most efficient plants in North America. I can see that this thread doesn't like to deal in facts, but that is a fact. You might try reading the Harbour Report on plany efficiency.

SpoiledMan · 12-27-05, 02:35

What's wrong with his poll? It's not like he asked a bunch of MBZ owners if they'd buy a Kia.

TortoiseAWD · 12-27-05, 02:37

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Originally Posted by Aurora40

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If you make the font bigger, does that make the difference even larger?

It's a 7.6% difference. That's a bit more useful way to compare the numbers in question . . .

Tort

SpoiledMan · 12-27-05, 02:45

Tort, I've been meaning to ask you. I'd like to get a trunk monkey and was wondering if you knew of anyone that had them on special after Christmas?