"Loose Change" - 9/11 Conspiracy by Dylan Avery

[JBM]

Great to have an expert on the board.

Now, based on your personal expertise, what are the chances of a FBI agent finding one of the terrorists/hijackers passports laying in the street, surviving the crash ?

[G35stilez]

My question to you also:


Why do you think the tapes from the nearby buildings (hotel/gas station) haven't been released?

[SpoiledMan]

Originally Posted by GSRstilez

My question to you also:


Why do you think the tapes from the nearby buildings (hotel/gas station) haven't been released?

...and please, anybody, explain to me what happened to the wings and engines of this so called airplane.

I'm with you Sean. Something about the "plane" that crashed into the Pentagon S T I N K S !

[FalconGuy]

I haven't a clue why they never released the tapes, back in 1994 when I stopped doing that work the Govt even stopped releasing Cockpit Voice Recordings. Its not unusual for the government to say we don't want to release footage of murders to the general public. I wouldn't want to watch my Mom/Dad/Son/Daughter's death.

As far as the passport, yea its believable.

Once I had a case, minor by comparison but to use as an example. A US Navy Super Sea Stallion ( Huge Helo and I mean huge) was doing autorotation tests over the Chesapeake bay near Norfolk VA. This means they remove engine power and allow the rotor blades to be used like a windmill to to support the helo as would occur in an engine/gearbox failure, even though this is a multi engine helo. Of course they didn't tell anyone they were going to be dropping from 4 thousand feet to 1400 where they would restore power and do it again for practice.

At this same time a Fish spotter flying for a company that uses small planes to spot schools of fish used in commercial canning, menhaden If I recall the name of the fish was doing his thing. His flight was to circle the bay and spot the schools, then a refrigerated ship would grab the fish and can them right there on board, quite a huge operation. Mostly this fish was used for cat food I was told.

As the helo dropped straight down this poor guy never saw them coming, he hit the helo which had its side doors open, mind you these doors are big enough to drive a car thriugh.When he exited of course he now had no wings and was on fire. He hit the water and was killed. He was found the next day when we spotted an oil slick coming from his engine.

Due to the nature of Navy crashes we weren't given access that day, the Helo made a precautionary landing on a beach just at the end of the Chesapeake bay bridge with no injuries and remarkably minor damage.

It was hot, they had Navy grunts guarding the helo . Considering this guys plane was a burning missile they were lucky. I mentioned it was hot for a reason, we bribed the navy guys with some cold brews to let us take our pics that night. The navy would have let us the next day anyway and they knew that.

I still get chills when I think about what I saw inside, for one thing his left shoe, and foot. His pilots logbook, intact, and a photo of his daughter with her boyfriend. How the physics of this all worked out I have no idea but it is entirely plausible to find a passport undamaged at a crash site. I could tell you a thousand things that shocked me, this one just popped into my mind today.

I could tell you funny stories of things found, or people who were not supposed to be traveling together....... that happens a lot. We also had to collect passenger baggage and identify it and turn it over to families, that led to some interesting finds too......

[FalconGuy]

The wings and engines are exactly where you would expect them to be, do you really think they want you to see the interior of the Pentagon? They didn't before 911 they sure as hell don't want you to now.

That's why you dont see the pics you are expecting, like you would in a typical airliner crash. This wasn't a typical crash. When a missile hits its target you rarely get to see the missile afterwards.

[G35stilez]

FalconGuy:

I appreciate your comments and they are sure helping me make sense of everything. Just to confirm though. Your story is very believeable and myself, too, have heard stories similar (many of my relatives were in the services). However, your story related to a 2 plane collision whereas 9/11 was a plane directly colliding with a building which subsequently burned (9/11 commission blamed the fires on the structural failure) and fell to the ground. Most of everything was vaporized, even humans. Do you think its still believeable about the passport (this is not a bash or a second guess of you in anyway, I just wanted a little more clarification)?



May I ask you to take a look at this documentary "911, In Plane Site" and let me know what you think.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=in+plane+site



It has to do MUCH MORE with the planes themselves. It really disects the videos and recordings taken. It seems much more professional and believable than the original link I posted.

As stated in this link I just posted, the author states "This is not about republicans vs. democrats. We are not 'Bush Bashers'. This is about what is right and what is wrong". I think that about sums it up for me. He goes on to mention how Clinton (democrat) bombed a chemical plant (forget where, but vid mentions it) that turned out to just be an Asprin plant.

Again, I appreciate your advice.

[Spilchy]

Just a little tid bit:

Clinton ordered the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant via cruise missle (owned by a Saudi) because it the CIA believed it contained the deadly nerve agent VX and symapthized with Al Qaeda. It was retaliation for the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Sudan harbored Bin Laden as a guest (like Afghanistan) for a few years and as an extremist Isalmic government, had sympathetic leanings towards Al-Qaeda. This was a strategic blow to their ability to potentially gain this agent. During the same bombing raid, a few Al Qaeda trainig camps in Afghanistan were also bombed via cruise missles.

It was not just an "aspirin plant." That's a joke! Don't forget, our embassies overseas were blown up and killed many (not to mention the 3 other times Al Qeda struck us during the Clinton years). We were retaliating against those who attacked the embassies and at the time, continued to plot to attack us. Too bad we didn't do more militarily over the Clinton years leading up to 9/11 to crush these people and their terrorist Candy Land in Afghanistan.

I don't mean to say that those who think our government blew up our twin towers, part of the pentagon and potentially the white house (if not for the downed plane in PA) are Bush bashers. It's just that I listen to people continually complain about him pulling at straws to try to legitimize their dislike.

[Pontman43]

OK, so what was the reasoning for the government planning this?
And what happened to the people and the planes?

[White95Max]

Originally Posted by Pontman43

And what happened to the people...?

Well many of the hijackers seem alive and well in Saudi Arabia!

[Pontman43]

Originally Posted by White95Max

Well many of the hijackers seem alive and well in Saudi Arabia!

LOL, ya, where is the proof?
And what about the passengers on the plane?

[White95Max]

Originally Posted by Pontman43

LOL, ya, where is the proof?
And what about the passengers on the plane?

IDK maybe they went to Saudi Arabia too! lol

I don't believe everything that this documentary was trying to say, but as I said before, some of the points make you think.

[Pontman43]

And... how stupid do you think our government is?
Why would they blame certain terrorists and leave them alive?
Why would they attact the Trade Center?
Why would they put a missle on the outside of a plane so everyone can see?
If our government was this stupid then we should be worrying about more than this.

Also how was the other plane that was taken over by passengers that was crashed into nothing in Penn. explained?