"Loose Change" - 9/11 Conspiracy by Dylan Avery

[Pontman43]

Originally Posted by Spilchy

You are actually saying you BELIEVE that propoganda? If so, PROVE it. Don't show me theories, show me PROOF that hasn't been debunked. Read the Popular Mechanics article and the experts they interviewed. That's my "logic." It debunks the physical evidence the conspirators provide. It's utterly insane to believe otherwise. Or do folks just despise Bush so much that in just 6 months into his first term, you believe he plotted this?! The CIA? The NSA? The FBI? Congress? Or was it the various elements of the LAPD who had conspired to frame OJ Simpson? Thank goodness he was found innocent. I also heard "they" blew up the levies in New Orleans during Hurricaine Katrina.

If you HONESTLY believe that is the truth it would be the single most, largest, most colossal, news story in our nation's history. It would be covered head to tail by every news organization, news show, talk show, every newspaper, every magazine, massive congressional inquiries, UN Nations inquiries, etc...

Why don't you see this talked about anywhere in those settings? Because there's no truth to it. You think everyone is oblivious to this and somehow this video is the missing link? The Holy Grail?! The truth that explains 9/11?!

If so, it would NOT be relegated to some politcal agenda oriented Internet documentary put to the tune of some acid jazz DJ that is worshipped by conspirators.

The Popular Mechanics article shows how this is seems so illogical. To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

The proof is in the concrete, proveable, undisputable, physical, written, EVIDENCE, not one's politcal agenda or distrust of the government. I've said my piece.

Just wanted to post this again.

Oh ya, and if the planes that were flown into the twin towers weren't the actuall flights with passengers then what happened to those flights and passengers? Did the government kill them too? If so then what was the point of different planes? Huh?

[Brazo]

I watched this about a week ago and was pretty stunned by the content both in terms of what was said and what they were trying to insinuate. It does raise a lot of important questions that cannot be answered. As far as the WTC attack goes I feel you can draw different outcomes according to what evidence you look at - its all 'believeable' dependant upon what you want to believe.

As for the pentagon if the hole they showed was the hole the plane entered then its a magic plane as its wings vanished without leaving a trace on the surrounding window frames. Magic plane Hmmmmmmm!

[Setec Astronomy]

Originally Posted by Brazo

As for the pentagon if the hole they showed was the hole the plane entered then its a magic plane as its wings vanished without leaving a trace on the surrounding window frames. Magic plane Hmmmmmmm!

Hmm...maybe it was mass hallucination, but I happened to be watching the events as they were happening in TV, and my recollection when they first cut to the Pentagon was that there was an airliner stuck in the wall, and it hadn't gone in up to the wings.

[White95Max]

I found some parts of the documentary interesting, and the importance/relevance of other points seemed to be minimal.

Republicans will call conspiracies like this absurd, and Democrats would do the same for a conspiracy about a Democratic president. If Gore would have become President and this conspiracy was about him (assuming events were identical), you'd have Republicans in here trying to expose wrongdoings and Democrats calling it absurd.
A friend of mine told me that Bill Clinton was responsible for 9/11. Of course he's a set-in-stone Republican, so he chooses to believe conspiracies and such about any non-Republican, but completely dismisses anything related to Republicans. He's even stubborn enough to never listen to or watch anything that could possibly be badmouthing any Republican.

I did find it pretty interesting to hear that 9 (I think) of the hijackers are still alive in Saudi Arabia and the surrounding area.

[Mosca]

Thing is, there never was a WTC. The planes were models. There really isn't a world at all, it's just a dream. It's the dreams that are real. That shiny car that you say is in your driveway? Fake. Try this: prove that it's there. Prove it TO ME. Scottwax? Sorry Scott; you're a postbot.

Sorry folks. That's the way it is.


Tom

[Scottwax]

Originally Posted by Mosca

Thing is, there never was a WTC. The planes were models. There really isn't a world at all, it's just a dream. It's the dreams that are real. That shiny car that you say is in your driveway? Fake. Try this: prove that it's there. Prove it TO ME. Scottwax? Sorry Scott; you're a postbot.

Sorry folks. That's the way it is.


Tom

We are all just a part of the Matrix, eh?

[JBM]

The passport in the street, the explosions floor by floor, removing the bomb sniffing dogs, turning off the power, cell phones at 30,000 feet, no wreckage, metal that is melted many levels below the impact of the crash.

Lets see some basic reasons for these.

Lets not forget that Rumsfield was warned not to fly on a comercial plane shortly before 911. There was numerous reports actually, that i have lost the links to.

[Lowejackson]

Originally Posted by Scottwax

We are all just a part of the Matrix, eh?

Plato (Republic VII) thought so some 2000 years ago in the Allegory of the Cave

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.co...partridge.html

[GregCavi]

ok i watched this yesterday evening, I thought some of the stuff was just not possible as it is propoganda, but the pentegon thing is very odd, I dont understnad that at all.

Greg

[Spilchy]

Originally Posted by Mosca

Thing is, there never was a WTC. The planes were models. There really isn't a world at all, it's just a dream. It's the dreams that are real. That shiny car that you say is in your driveway? Fake. Try this: prove that it's there. Prove it TO ME. Scottwax? Sorry Scott; you're a postbot.

Sorry folks. That's the way it is.

That whole whacky "man on the moon thing?" Fake, never happended. Sorry space geeks, it was cooked up in a Hollywood studio. Saw it on the Internet.

UFO's at Area 51 in the Nevada Desert? Completely true. Saw in the movies - Independence Day. You can't tell me they made that up.

Did Mark David Chapman really shoot John Lennon? It was the FBI! Crazy you say?! I read it on the Internet! http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lenn...non_report.htm

As far as no plane at the Pentagon, a quick search on CNN pulled up eye witnesses that saw the tail of it sticking out of the building as well as a the plane actually flying low and fast crashing into it. I guess all the people on that plane went missing via the Bermuda Triangle.

[JBM]

Ok, there were no bombs going off floor by floor.

The gov. found a passport of a terrorist who was on one of the planes,. in the street lol. ?

There was a report of the melting point of the metal that composed the 2 buildings ?

Jet fuel really burns at a temp hotter than the sun, thats how main support members were melted many many levels below the impact area.

An earthquake dude picked up a reading, and he lied about what it meant, because he wanted to be famous on the internet.

Bush sat in a classroom for-7, or 9 minutes reading books to kids while terrorists were attacking the country.

Remember the look on his face when he got the news.

Rumsfield was warned not to fly on a commercial plane weeks before 911.

The FBI and CIA both had reports and warnings about a terrorist attack using our planes, flying them into buildings. The most common debunk here is that Clinton diminished the capacity of the CIA and FBI in his administration, so its his fault.

The president of Russia personally called to warn us about it.

This is simple stuff, that is common knowledge, people will say something witty like, why do you hate Bush, as a comeback.

All we can do is keep a watchful eye, and keep asking questions.

[FalconGuy]

Having spent 5 years as an aviation accident investigator and still being employed in aviation, training flight crews on emergency/abnormal procedures I can say the pentagon wreckage looks exactly like one would expect it to look like given the speed and angle of impact.


You cant compare what you normally see in accidental crashes where the aircraft is level and at low speed when it crashes 2 miles out from the airport. This crash was intentional, the impact shows a high speed impact where the aircraft impacted at an angle most aircraft never fly at, at least not airliners anyway.

The only people who dont know this are the tin foil hat guys that see conspiracies in everything they look at.

The old quote " When your a carpenter, all the world looks like a nail " comes to mind.

I once did a crash investigation for a Guy named Herschel Friday, he was Bill Clinton's personal attorney in Little Rock. Without my written report in front of me im shooting from a clouded memory but the guy was 84 years old, had 90% blockage of his Aorta and was flying alone, at night, in bad weather with very little experience in the high performance aircraft he had just purchased. Of course the conspiracy nuts claimed he was offed as he was about to "Out" Clinton. You can find tons of web links saying he was killed when his crash was obviously not caused by anything other than "Normal Causes"

Makes you wonder, just what do these people think is real/fake?