The Emperor Has No Clothes! - Page 2

TortoiseAWD · 02-12-08, 09:22

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

Getting back on track is going to take not only political resolve, it will take the populace no longer being sheep, to say that the emperor has no clothes, that we’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore. That we're not going to accept a bribe (the economic stimulus package) as a substitute for a lack of political and corporate governance.

See my signature.

Tort

themightytimmah · 02-12-08, 09:36

I spent a summer working in a large-scale manufacturing plant, and we have bigger problems than CEO's and corruption. Half the guys there were drunks, never showed up on time, didn't finish high school, etc.

The only way we're going to beat this crisis is to create a skilled worker class, of people who have the drive and intelligence to go to college but would rather work a trade. Restore people's trust in "American Made". Sell higher quality products than the Europeans.

jsatek · 02-12-08, 10:07

Wow, sounds like we need to lower healthcare costs so people have some money to buy premium American products and offer a college degree for free to all US citizens!

Setec Astronomy · 02-12-08, 10:11

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Originally Posted by themightytimmah

The only way we're going to beat this crisis is to create a skilled worker class, of people who have the drive and intelligence to go to college but would rather work a trade...

Doesn't that describe the "greatest generation"? Who came back from war and just wanted to earn an honest wage for an honest day's work? Somehow in their quest to have a better life for their children, having a trade somehow became a dishonest way to make a living. I think it had to to with the vicious cycle of the unions and management, which opened the door to what happened in the 70's which led us to where we are now.

Grimm · 02-12-08, 10:47

The problem is that the almight dollar is all that anyone is after. Company execs have always been after that, so that should be no surprise. But even the average person is all about money now. The way companies sell more is to make products cheaper. We all want tons of "stuff" and at the best price. So companies are forced to go overseas or risk going out of business. The majority don't care about service or reliability, they just want it cheap. And then they complain six months later when their TV is broken because they bought some cheap cheap no name brand on Black Friday.

ptaylor_9849 · 02-12-08, 01:29

Speaking of dollars and the recent tax stimulus package, your not gonna believe this but I think the new stimulus plan is simply and ADVANCE of your own future 2009 tax refund. In other words, they're not giving you any money, they're just giving you back your own money that they confiscated from you. I could be wrong about this but it wouldn't surprise me.

Patrick

Setec Astronomy · 02-12-08, 01:32

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Originally Posted by ptaylor_9849

Speaking of dollars and the recent tax stimulus package, your not gonna believe this but I think the new stimulus plan is simply and ADVANCE of your own future 2009 tax refund. I could be wrong about this but it wouldn't surprise me.

A friend of mine told me that the same thing happened the last time they did this, they subtracted it from her refund.

ptaylor_9849 · 02-12-08, 01:38

In an effort to keep things calm around here by changing the subject, I've never asked you but exactly what is "Setec Astronomy"?

Patrick

BlueZero · 02-12-08, 01:40

Setec Astronomy = too many secrets?

jsatek · 02-12-08, 01:53

SETEC Astronomy Project

Dylan06SS · 02-12-08, 02:00

Perspective... we all need some perspective. Are things generally ****** here in the US as opposed to how the should/could be?? Yes.

Could it be worse? Yes... a hell of a lot worse. Read anything on the turmoil in Kenya right now and you'll appreciate how "bad" it is here. The worst days here in the states are still better than the best days in a lot of the world.

Thats not to say that I don't think we need reform, change, and some accountability for our public officials and ourselves, but I'm done getting worked up over it anymore. As long as people value money and possessions over one and other this country won't change for the better.