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Setec Astronomy · 10-22-08, 06:56

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Originally Posted by III

Picus, nobody is saying the fox news channel or anyother conservative network/talk show is right. The point is being fair. Period.

Hey, a guy I went to high school with turned out to be a wife beater. I continued to be friends with him for some years, even after he pointed a loaded gun at his gf in college. I haven't talked to him in decades because I decided he was an a-hole. Does that disqualify me from anything/everything for the rest of my life? Is that fair?

I think it's fair and reasonable to ask about Obama's relationship with Ayers. I'm not sure how relevant Rev. Wright is. Judging people by what their religious leaders say is a bit like judging people by what tv shows they watch...it's just not a good determinant of what kind of person they are (except that people that watch South Park or The Bachelor should be deported...see how silly that sounds?).

So anyway, Obama "palled around" with this guy Ayers. And McCain "palled around" with that guy Charles Keating, who actually went to jail (as Ayers should have). If you ask McCain about Keating, he'll tell you that he was cleared of any wrongdoing by the Senate. If you ask Obama about Ayers, he'll tell you about his association.

Is it fair that McCain's answer is enough, but Obama's isn't? There is a lot more evidence that McCain's politics was affected by Keating than there is that Obama's politics was affected by Ayers.

I really don't see what it has to do with anything, unless you are going to tell me that I am tainted, or am somehow someone who degrades and controls women, physically harms them, threatens their lives, etc., simply because decades ago I "palled around" with someone who did.

Part of the fairness has to do with who it is that's being judged. If you're a bad ballplayer, so you get booed, is that unfair? If you're a VP candidate and you can't put together coherent sentences in your first two interviews, is it unfair to boo that? If Joe the Plumber turns out to be not quite what he was painted to be, is it unfair to point that out? I'm sure if Obama pulled someone out of McCain's rally and mentioned them in a debate, they would be scrutinized as well...except that Obama hasn't done that.

Boy, that MSM, they don't ever talk about these wedge issues:

Ex-ACORN worker: 'I paid the price' for voter registration fraud - CNN.com

Ayers and Obama crossed paths on boards, records show - CNN.com

III · 10-22-08, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

If Joe the Plumber turns out to be not quite what he was painted to be, is it unfair to point that out?

Boy, that MSM, they don't ever talk about these wedge issues:

Ex-ACORN worker: 'I paid the price' for voter registration fraud - CNN.com

Ayers and Obama crossed paths on boards, records show - CNN.com

Appreciate your comments. What in the world are you talking about? Joe isn't quite what he was painted out to be? So what is he then, and who said he was painted to be anything in the first place? Oh, I get it. Let the media try and discredit him by saying he doesn't have a license, his first name isn't Joe, and that he owes money in back taxes. All of this is irrelevant. All this guy did was ask a question, and since Obama got exposed, people want to try and attack him by this non-sense. Even Obama and Biden poke fun saying how many plumbers do you know make over $250,000 a year? Joe never said he currently makes $250.00 a year. When and if he buys the business, then it would be $250 or more.

Breaking news: CNN does 2 articles which show fairness and unbiased coverage of the election. Is this possible?

dave40co · 10-22-08, 09:23

Don't even get me started on this one! If I ever saw one non-left leaning report on any of the news outlets besides FOX I would S#%$!

Setec Astronomy · 10-22-08, 11:51

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Originally Posted by III

Appreciate your comments. What in the world are you talking about? Joe isn't quite what he was painted out to be? So what is he then, and who said he was painted to be anything in the first place? Oh, I get it. Let the media try and discredit him by saying he doesn't have a license, his first name isn't Joe, and that he owes money in back taxes. All of this is irrelevant. All this guy did was ask a question, and since Obama got exposed, people want to try and attack him by this non-sense. Even Obama and Biden poke fun saying how many plumbers do you know make over $250,000 a year? Joe never said he currently makes $250.00 a year. When and if he buys the business, then it would be $250 or more.

Breaking news: CNN does 2 articles which show fairness and unbiased coverage of the election. Is this possible?

You appreciate my comments? Do you understand that when an individual makes 250K/year it's all income but when a business grosses 250K it might have zero income (profit)? Do you understand that zero income = zero tax? Exactly what was "exposed"? That a guy who makes $40K/year doesn't understand his boss's business?

And this is the usual "the MSM never talks about Ayers/Acorn/etc." but when they do, you immediately dismiss it. There is a difference between "not covering" something and not giving the answer you want to hear. When Clinton was President there was a "vast right-wing conspiracy", now there is a "liberal media conspiracy". More like when whoever is in power is screwing up, they have to make up some excuse so it isn't their fault.

I'm really tired of this black/white, left/right fault finding...how about they are all bums and let's vote them the heck out and get some new people in, then we can blame them for all our problems. If only we could find some third party to vote in and blame then we can stop hating each other because it would be neither of our parties that was screwing things up. It would be that vast "independent" conspiracy. Boy am I looking forward to another 4 years of half the country hating the other half...

III · 10-22-08, 11:59

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Originally Posted by Picus

The other stations are just as bad the other way, but Fox is no better.

Sorry. I disagree. Fox might, and I use that word in the smallest sense, at times seem to be bias towards republicans, I'll give you that at least. However, on average FNC is more fair/balanced then any other mainstream media outlets like CNN, and MSNBC. Let the ratings speak for themselves. Why do you think FNC get the ratings that it does? Could it be they're more fair/balanced and show no bias?

Fox News tops primetime cable ratings

Cable News Nielsen TV Ratings for Tuesday, October 21: Fox News, CNN, Headline News, MSNBC, CNBC, FOX & Friends, American Morning, Morning Joe, Squawk Box, Morning Express w/ Meade, Special Report with Brit Hume, Situation Room, Race for the White Ho

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/ar...on&oref=slogin

Fox News Channel Leads in 2007 Cable News Ratings - 1/4/2008 5:11:00 PM - Broadcasting & Cable

III · 10-23-08, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

You appreciate my comments?

Yes, and I respect them. You abviously don't appreciate mine. I wasn't trying to be funny when I said that.

III · 10-23-08, 12:05

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

Do you understand that zero income = zero tax? Exactly what was "exposed"

Apparently I don't.

III · 10-23-08, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

And this is the usual "the MSM never talks about Ayers/Acorn/etc." but when they do, you immediately dismiss it.

Good, they ran some stories. My point is on average they're not as fair or balanced as other mainstream media outlets.

Setec Astronomy · 10-23-08, 12:11

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

Do you understand that zero income = zero tax?

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Apparently I don't.

Wtf? If you don't then you have no business defending Joe the Plumber. Ask anyone who owns a business the difference between gross and net.

Setec Astronomy · 10-23-08, 12:22

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Originally Posted by MSOsr

I'm assuming you aren't a vet, because you didn't say you were when the opportunity was presented. That doesn't make your opinions irrelevant or not noteworthy; it might make them, in my opinion, a little naive in some instances, however.

Hey, I missed the draft, and my recruiter couldn't guarantee my job, even on deferred enlistment, so I passed, but I have had the pleasure/privilege/displeasure (take your pick) to count as my friends and/or coworkers veterans of WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam. Army, Army Air Corps, Air Force, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Guard. People who enlisted, were drafted, people with survivor's guilt to permanent disability to MS. Infantry, corpsmen, mechanics, SF. I doubt that any of them at this point would call me naïve, but if they did, it certainly wouldn’t be because I’m not a vet.

MSOsr · 10-23-08, 06:28

"Working with veterans doesn't mean you adopt their opinions", sayeth Barrack Obama.

Mike

III · 10-23-08, 06:40

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Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

Wtf? If you don't then you have no business defending Joe the Plumber. Ask anyone who owns a business the difference between gross and net.

LOL! Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Look, we can go back and forth on this all day. If you feel the need to discuss this issue further maybe a new, separate thread could be started. I'm sure you have valid points as well as the other side has valid points. The point that I'm trying to make is regardless of whether Joe has a point, why try and destroy this guy by saying things that have no weight? If you have issues with what he said about the 250, stick to that issue, and that issue alone. Don't bring up how his name really isn't Joe, he doesn't even have his plumbers license, etc, etc...