Sarah Palin - Page 10

MSOsr · 10-22-08, 05:18

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Originally Posted by Bunky

After 8 years, I think we know who really lost...America.

Do you remember that after we took Baghdad that Khaddafi surrendered his WMDs? Saddam Hussein is dead and Iraq is a democracy. Everyone thought we should have gone into Iraq when we went in.

Forget the retrospectiscope view of the war.

Did Republicans screw up when they had control? NO DOUBT...they spent like drunken Democrats. But the economy was still doing well after 2005.

What about the economy? Were you better off 2 years ago than you were 8 years ago? If you had a job, the answer is yes. It has been the last 2 years, when the housing market ran amok, that the economy tanked. Who allowed that to happen? Dems. See the Barney Frank comments elsewhere in this thread. It's been in the last 2 years, with the Dems in control of Congress, doing nothing, that America went into the crapper.

BUT BUSH WAS PRESIDENT SO IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT.

Mike (was riding high in 2006)

III · 10-22-08, 08:46

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Originally Posted by MSOsr

Did Republicans screw up when they had control? NO DOUBT...they spent like drunken Democrats. But the economy was still doing well after 2005. It has been the last 2 years, when the housing market ran amok, that the economy tanked. Who allowed that to happen? Dems. See the Barney Frank comments elsewhere in this thread. It's been in the last 2 years, with the Dems in control of Congress, doing nothing, that America went into the crapper.

BUT BUSH WAS PRESIDENT SO IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT.

Mike (was riding high in 2006)

Bunky · 10-23-08, 08:25

The dem's did not cause the economy. That was already in process when the dem's took control.

My gripe is people use labels like republicans vs dem's is like good vs evil. That thought process does not solve problems since we have seen record deficits, a long war, corruption (DeLay and others rival dem's), no resolution to our tax code (just lower taxes with no decrease in spending), no real solution to immigration (the economy slump has slowed in the influx, fix social security, address entitlements and wasteful defense spending), etc.

The solution is term limits. The next president has to practice consensus (Bush polarized the place even more) to achieve any results. I am especially disappointed in conservative republicans in regards to the bail out bill. They did not like it but never seemed to have a better idea.

McCain supported partially nationalizing our banks (part of the bail out bill)...sounds socialist to me so let's stay away from labels and talk real solutions.

dave40co · 10-23-08, 09:19

Socialism as defined by Britannica:

social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.

Neither the bailout nor the Obama tax giveaway fit into this category. Close but not quite. The Gov. had to step in to prevent the collapse of the banking system and PROECT the people which is the role of the Gov. Taking money from one group and giving it to another is not protecting anyone except the politician that does it. The bailout WAS the solution, let's just see if it works. By the way I am one of the people that would benefit from the Obama tax plan and I want no part of it! I will donate it like I did the last "stimulus" check.

TortoiseAWD · 10-27-08, 01:07

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Originally Posted by MSOsr

As the president of the Senate, the VP can do LOTS of things. He or she can also do anything the President can, so long as the President authorizes it.

Mike (the word is "role", not "roll)

You're a lawyer, and *this* is how you interpret the duties of the Vice President as outlined in the Constitution? Really?

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Tort

MSOsr · 10-27-08, 01:41

Are you saying the VP can't do anything the president can do so long as the President authorizes it? And I don't believe I said "as outlined in the Constitution".

Al Gore sure did a lot while he was VP.

Mike

Bunky · 10-27-08, 03:04

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Originally Posted by MSOsr

Are you saying the VP can't do anything the president can do so long as the President authorizes it? And I don't believe I said "as outlined in the Constitution".

Al Gore sure did a lot while he was VP.

Mike

And Cheney did a lot too. I think he was the man behind the puppet.

MSOsr · 10-27-08, 03:28

There you go! Question answered!

Mike

TortoiseAWD · 10-28-08, 07:19

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Originally Posted by MSOsr

Are you saying the VP can't do anything the president can do so long as the President authorizes it? And I don't believe I said "as outlined in the Constitution".

Al Gore sure did a lot while he was VP.

Mike

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Your views on VP powers and duties as defined by our founding document (the one so many politicians are using as toilet paper) are incorrect.

Tort

TortoiseAWD · 10-28-08, 07:26

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Originally Posted by Bunky

And Cheney did a lot too. I think he was the man behind the puppet.

Cheney tried to (unconstitutionally) expand the role of the executive branch. Don't know about you, but I like my checks and balances, thank you very much.

Tort

MSOsr · 10-28-08, 09:16

I stand by my assertion that I believe the President can delegate duties to the VP, although the President remains responsible for the duties delegated (other than tie breaking votes or other ceremonial matters normally handled directly by the VP).

Mike

III · 10-28-08, 09:28

Sarah Palin IS change...