Is Obama serious?

[Picus]

Originally Posted by MSOsr

You want socialized medicine? Go to a trauma center and look at the uninsured people clogging the ER with sniffles, etc., because the ER is required to treat them even if they can't pay.

If EVERYONE can go to the doctor for free, how soon do you think you will be able to get an appointment? In England, people are waiting 6 months just to get an MRI....imagine if that was to determine whether you had cancer or not. In America, you could get it done the same day it was ordered.

If you have a plasma TV and 2 cars, you could afford to be insured. It's just a choice you have to make.

Mike

I'm not a fan of socialized medicine, but your example is a pretty narrow view of it. Wait times do tend to be longer, but if you're at risk of (using your example) cancer, you're generally not going to wait very long for an MRI. People wait a long time for non-life threatening care for sure, but cancer, heat problems etc...tend to get pushed through pretty quickly.

There have been a ton of threads about it, so I am not trying to start another discussion on it. Just pointing out that usually when you hear about long waits in England, Canada, etc... it's for issues that are not life threatening.

[MSOsr]

I don't know anyone who travels from the US to those places for medical treatment, unless it's something that's illegal in the US. But there is a HUGE contingent from those countries that come here for treatment, when their life is at stake.

Mike

[MSOsr]

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

You're in the minority, HD and Lowes killed almost all the little hardware stores, and the smaller chains around here. Walgreens and CVS have killed almost all of the little pharmacies. It takes some time, but usually the big chains kill the independent stores. It's happening to the sandwich shops now, got a Quizno's and a Subway a stone's throw from each other. (BTW, the bakery where I used to get donuts for the guys at work once in a while is a Dunkin' Donuts now).

We had a national chain wine and liquor discounter come into town and advertise prices well below the local chain (that has stores all over town). Initially, everyone went to the new place to save a couple of bucks on a bottle.

The local chain then advertised that they would beat ANY advertised price a customer brought in. People took their catalogue from the national chain into the local stores, showed the low price, and the local stores cut the advertised price by 1 cent. People quit going to the national chain, because the local stores were in their neighborhood, closer to home and the prices were just as cheap.

The national chain moved out.

Small businesses can band together to purchase products more cheaply and then price their products close enough to the big boys to keep their local customers. They don't have to undercut....just come close enough to where the better service warrants paying a little more.

Mike

[Bunky]

The VA is an example of socialized medicine and not a good example at that. we have bureaucrat run medicine today even "private".

A beancounter tells you how long they will cover you for a stay in the hospital...you pay if you stay longer. The difference I see now is accessability.

[wannafbody]

McCain sponsored legislation to reform Fannie Mae in 2005. democrats like Dodd and Frank killed it. Obama has been in the senate for 4 years and is number 2 on the donation list from Fannie Mae.

[rt4x4]

Originally Posted by Scottwax

I hear ya. The loosening of credit through Fannie May was a Clinton administration idea as reported in the New York Times on September 30, 1999. McCain was pushing in 2000 (he co-sponsered a bill) for tighter regulations.

wasnt that bill introduced by the repulicans in 0ct 1999 for Clinton to sign?
Also didnt Rick DavisMccains campain manager work for Freddie Mac and his firm still gets a salary from them?

[jfelbab]

It's all here:

YouTube - Democrats Covering up the Fannie Mae,...

[Holden_C04]

Whatever the case is, I believe it was a faction of the Republican party/industry that became the first major domestic terrorists...I strongly believe they had a role in the 911 terror attacks.

You want corruption, how about that?

[Eliot Ness]

Originally Posted by Holden_C04

........I strongly believe they had a role in the 911 terror attacks..........

Anyone who can seriously make a statement like that has spent too much time in an alien ship undergoing unusual tests.

[BigAl3]

off topic, but is it just me or does anyone think that Obama sounds like The Rock when he talks sometimes. i'm just waiting for him to say, "can you smell what Obama is cooking" and also call Mccain a "jabronie"... LOL

YouTube - WWE/WWF The Rock Funniest Moments Ever

[Holden_C04]

Originally Posted by Eliot Ness

Anyone who can seriously make a statement like that has spent too much time in an alien ship undergoing unusual tests.

I have simply discovered a lot of unusual evidence that would suggest they had some role. Until that evidence is somehow refuted to my satisfaction, I will continue to believe that.

Do you honestly believe Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK?

[Setec Astronomy]

Originally Posted by Holden_C04

Do you honestly believe Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK?

Sheesh! I suppose the next thing you're going to tell us is that Poorboy's is made by Chemical Guys??? Ha.