Obama or McCain? - Page 33

rt4x4 · 11-11-08, 07:48

tell me if Bush did so well, why did Mcain, Powell and so many others distance themselves from him?

Brandon1 · 11-11-08, 08:04

Because the news media has made Bush look like a terrible pres when in fact, I think he was a quite good one and has done very well considering what he has had to deal with.

You think Bush is so bad, you wait till Jan 20th, you will se bad then. Spreading the wealth? Bad idea.....

rt4x4 · 11-11-08, 08:47

As usual the Right always has to blame the media, I dont think it was the media that made Bush look so bad.

dave40co · 11-11-08, 08:50

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Originally Posted by Brandon1

Because the news media has made Bush look like a terrible pres when in fact, I think he was a quite good one and has done very well considering what he has had to deal with.

You think Bush is so bad, you wait till Jan 20th, you will se bad then. Spreading the wealth? Bad idea.....

Hey Brandon, I have done the search but I cannot find the recipe for the liberal Kool-aid!

These people have never lived through a Jimmy Carter Presidency and never applied for a home loan that had a rate of 17%. I have and remember when I was starting my family that was what I faced. They also never had to wait in line for gas. I have. As I said in a previous post, be careful what you ask for.

I am happy and am in awe of the accomplishments of Mr. Obama. I hope that by electing him it will save a few black kids from the poor examples they have had in their lives.

MSOsr · 11-12-08, 07:28

I was stationed in Georgia when Carter was governor, in law school while he was President, and in the poor house on both occasions.

We had gas lines even on the military base.

We had Iran holding Americans hostage.

I bought my first house when mortgage rates were like credit card rates, even using VA.

I've got my fingers crossed for Obama, but I'm afraid.....very afraid.....

Mike (still wakes up screaming when I have that Carter Administration dream)

Setec Astronomy · 11-12-08, 07:48

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Originally Posted by MSOsr

I bought my first house when mortgage rates were like credit card rates, even using VA.

Ha ha, I remember my brother saying back then "I remember when that was a loan shark interest rate, and now that's what you get at a bank."

EDIT: I guess what's even funnier than that was a few years ago a guy I worked with drove his wife's new car to work, and I guess it cost a little over $30K and he clearly didn't approve... "that car cost more than my second house...not my first house, my SECOND house!!"

EDIT EDIT: Ha ha, now I'm thinking about those credit-card mortgage rates, it sure was a good time to have money in the bank...back when passbook savings account was 5% (I think mine is .2% now) and my father told me I should scrape up all my savings and anything I could to get enough to open a money market account because the interest rate was 15%.

User Name · 11-12-08, 08:23

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Originally Posted by askjeffro

Its absolutely not a joke.

I did not vote for Obama, but I stand behind reform in how we are treating prisoners. (Just as McCain lobbied to do so) I believe every human life has rights. When we take the position that someone "forfeits" their rights because they are an alleged terrorist we do our country a great disservice and our service men and women and even greater disservice.

If we are confidant that an individual has done something wrong, we should have the confidence to provide due process. No one should be able to act as the enforcer, jury, judge and executor. Doing so is not only unconstitutional and illegal, but completely flies in the face of what America is about.

Its easy (and lazy) to argue that someone who is an alleged terrorist should have no rights, but that effectively lowers America to the same level as the terrorists themselves. We can be better then those who act out in hatred all while getting the job done.

Great post! Very smart.

Holden_C04 · 11-12-08, 08:26

Isn't it strange how the US thinks they have the right to treat people however they wish (ignoring due process), but when another nation does the same thing, it's a war crime in violation of the Geneva Convention?

User Name · 11-12-08, 08:26

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Originally Posted by MSOsr

That's fine in a fantasy world but do we need to bring soldiers off the battlefield to testify in American courts against people we took into custody on that battlefield? Does each soldier that captures a prisoner have to forfeit his position with his unit to become a witness against that prisoner? It's not like a cop that captures a perp; the perp is fingerprinted and processed, photos are taken, DNA etc. and that evidence does not rely purely on the cop's testimony. The cop is needed only at the final trial, probably in his home town. How do you get evidence from the battlefield?

Is giving prisoners civil rights the way it's been done in the past? I think not....

In the past, prisoners taken into custody on the battlefield had rights only under the Geneva Convention (which would be "NONE" for the terrorists that pretend to be civilians and then attack our soldiers. If you want rights as a prisoner, wear a uniform and "fight fair".)

The fact that we send these people away from the battlefield (for protective measures) to a facility that allows them to practice their religion and appear before military tribunals if they have a legitimate defense is head and shoulders above the rights that prisoners of war have gotten in the past. And these guys are NOT entitled to the Geneva Convention protections...

America has become too politically correct, but thank God for Bush standing up and protecting us. Although our media and others, who were our allies allegedly, belittle America today, we're still the best nation on earth.

Mike

I'm begging you to stop because I'll be forced to respond. Again, I really MUST ask, where or where did you get your law degree? You almost get EVERY point wrong. It's as though you are reading from legal text and saying the opposite of what is written. Just stop or I'm going to start citing cases.

User Name · 11-12-08, 08:31

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Originally Posted by MSOsr

I've got my fingers crossed for Obama, but I'm afraid.....very afraid.....

Mike (still wakes up screaming when I have that Carter Administration dream)

When I was 3 I was afraid of the boogie man, but eventually I began to think rationally and grew out of it. Some of us take longer to develop lucid, rational thought and thereby retain unwarranted fears towards the "boogie man" or the "socialist" or the "Muslim negro" etc...

With any luck, your fear (and fear mongering) will pass and America will still be great and the gates of hell will not be unleashed upon us all.

User Name · 11-12-08, 08:33

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Originally Posted by Holden_C04

Isn't it strange how the US thinks they have the right to treat people however they wish (ignoring due process), but when another nation does the same thing, it's a war crime in violation of the Geneva Convention?

Well, there is an old axiom in internaional law...

"Might makes right"

Holden_C04 · 11-12-08, 08:38

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Originally Posted by User Name

Well, there is an old axiom in internaional law...

"Might makes right"

Let's get Bush and his cronies in front of the International War Crimes Tribunal.

Yep, it's made specifically for Communists, and other 3rd world leaders - oh, and Nazis (pretty hard to ignore 3 million (or whatever the number was) dead bodies).

EDIT: Reminds me of Hermann Goering's (Hitler's designated successor) words during his trial at Nuremburg:

The victor will always judge the defeated, and always find him guilty