Obama or McCain?

[TortoiseAWD]

Originally Posted by User Name

Tort is perfect just as she is! LOL

That would be a helluva reform right there. And one that I strongly oppose.

Tort

[User Name]

Originally Posted by TortoiseAWD

That would be a helluva reform right there. And one that I strongly oppose.

Tort

Don't knock it until you've tried it!!!! Who knows, it might spice up your life!!! LOL

[OutlawTitan]

Personally I don't think much of either option for this election. I don't understand fighting a war for years that could be ended in months.....either way many lives will be lost.....it reminds me way too much of Vietnam. The cost of extending the war for years could cure a lot of problems. Being in the accounting profession for over 30 years working for publicly held companies it makes no sense to me that our government and it's policymakers have EVER been allowed to spend money that they don't have and put our nation in long term debt. I don't understand extending benefits to non citizens or people that want take a job because it's not what they want to do. If all people are created equal and are given equal opportunity then I don't understand racial or gender quotas (why would not the most qualified person get the job regardless of sex, color, or race?).

Dylan said back in the 60's that "the times they are a changin'" but I don't understand why the values our country was founded upon can be considered as infringing upon someone else's rights?

I am definitely against the socialistic trends of our society but I don't think that train can be stopped at this point. My greatest fear is that the Trojan Horse is being wheeled up to 1600 Washington Avenue. I am sure that I am just getting old and paranoid but socialism is growing like kudzu and choking the American Dream.

Personally I feel that voting America simply votes for what they perceive will best benefit them in the short term with no thought to the practicality or long term impact. Sooner or later the piper will have to be paid.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by OutlawTitan

Personally I don't think much of either option for this election. I don't understand fighting a war for years that could be ended in months.....either way many lives will be lost.....it reminds me way too much of Vietnam. The cost of extending the war for years could cure a lot of problems. Being in the accounting profession for over 30 years working for publicly held companies it makes no sense to me that our government and it's policymakers have EVER been allowed to spend money that they don't have and put our nation in long term debt. I don't understand extending benefits to non citizens or people that want take a job because it's not what they want to do. If all people are created equal and are given equal opportunity then I don't understand racial or gender quotas (why would not the most qualified person get the job regardless of sex, color, or race?).

Dylan said back in the 60's that "the times they are a changin'" but I don't understand why the values our country was founded upon can be considered as infringing upon someone else's rights?

I am definitely against the socialistic trends of our society but I don't think that train can be stopped at this point. My greatest fear is that the Trojan Horse is being wheeled up to 1600 Washington Avenue. I am sure that I am just getting old and paranoid but socialism is growing like kudzu and choking the American Dream.

Personally I feel that voting America simply votes for what they perceive will best benefit them in the short term with no thought to the practicality or long term impact. Sooner or later the piper will have to be paid.

Dude, I almost disagree with everything you wrote, but that is one darned good post. I'm not even kidding!!! That is the most reasonable explanation for things I disagree with I've ever read. I still disagree, but you still made it all sound so palatable!!! Nice.

[MSOsr]

Originally Posted by User Name

Dude, I almost disagree with everything you wrote, but that is one darned good post. I'm not even kidding!!! That is the most reasonable explanation for things I disagree with I've ever read. I still disagree, but you still made it all sound so palatable!!! Nice.

Per curiam AFFIRMED.


Mike (stepped into a judicial role momentarily)

[User Name]

Originally Posted by MSOsr

Per curiam AFFIRMED.


Mike (stepped into a judicial role momentarily)

My Con Law professor (Noah Feldman) always use to say "never trust a lawyer who uses latin phrases, he's just hiding what he doesn't know".

[Showroom Shine]

You missed my whole point. Just goes to show that you also do not have a clue of the plight that Black people all over the world go through. You will never understand unless you could be Black for about a year. Then you would be begging to be white again. Then and only then would you know what is is to be Black in White America!

Originally Posted by TH0001

Let me get this right, you are voting for somebody because they look like you and you have the nerve to call others racist...lol

Infact your whole post strikes me as ignorant, period.

Guess who won the last two elections, a conservative.. (its true). To my knowledge neither Gore or Kerry are black? So why did they loose?

Because this country is equally split on each side of the political bar. But if Obama doesn't win, it is race, huh? I couldn't be the tax increase or wealth redistribuation at all, right? It couldn't be that people just don't agree with his policies? Nah, gotta be race because that is the easiest crutch to grab onto, isn't it? Only if Kerry and Gore where black...

Will some people not vote for Obama because he is black? Yes, absolutely, and it is sad. Will more people vote for him (with out any knowledge of the issues) because he 'looks' like them? Absolutely, and that is sad (and racist).

You made several generalizations in your post that are down right ignorant. As a black person you claim to know what WHITE (you emphaized it, not me) PEOPLE are scared of? Seriousy, you know huh? Talk about racist to a tee... In fact the only person who has come across as racist in this entire post is you, but then again, you have already admitted to voting for somebody because they look like you...

WHY IS IT OKAY FOR YOU TO DO IT, but not white people? Why is it only racist when it swings one way?

I tend to vote conservative (but will not vote for either person)and I would absolutely vote for General Powell. I will not vote for Barak because he has LESS experience then Palin and I don't agree with his policy, period. Please do not use race as excuse to reduce my feelings in one racist generalization that is 100% not true. Wake up and smell your own racist hypocrisy before you attempt to make racist generalizations yourself. Its okay for you to vote for people that look like you, but not okay for others (I think its wrong for you and others, personally, but then again I am not racist)?

Voting for anybody based on their race is racist, and it goes both ways, period.

Also, I think the fact that Mr. Obama has made it this far, is ahead in the polls, and will likely be our next president goes very far to poke about 1,000,000 holes in your racist theory.

[Showroom Shine]

You must live in your own imaginary world. When has it ever been the same. You do not ,nor will you ever have to deal with the obstacles the Black people face today in housing, jobs, promotions, getting a loan, getting treatment at a hospital. Have you ever been denied any of these basic services based soley on your race? I seriously doubt it! It does go both ways, but blacks get the short end of the stick always. Do you sneek around at night with a white hood?

Originally Posted by TH0001

It is sad that you have experienced. Most of my oldest and dearest friends are black and until recentely we have always laughed at our differences. However I am shocked by the absolute racist view they share as well, willing to vote for somebody because they are the same skin color as they are.

Pot-Kettle-Black(or white or whatever).

My point is that it goes both ways and it is sad. However it takes (IMO) a certain amount of ignorance to think that it only goes one way and that 'racism' is limited to what white people do. I think that 93% (or whatever the CBS poll) of black people who are voting are voting for Obama shows far more racism then the 54% of white people (or whatever the CBS poll) that are voting for McCain.

[askjeffro]

Obama or McCain?

Neither, I voted 3rd party. Couldn't get myself to back anyone that has a well documented case of lying. Fortunately for third party candidates the media ignores/buries them so there is little documentation for me to get hung on.

[Showroom Shine]

This is Good!
So will mine!

Originally Posted by User Name

Regardless of which guy wins, my car will still be very shiny.

[User Name]

I have a couple of thoughts on the race question.

Do I believe race will be a factor in the election? Yes, of course. Will it be the most important factor? That remains to be seen.

I think the pre-election polling and the actual results will bear out a lot more about this election.

One of the reasons I am supporting Obama, is because of his race (not a primary reason) but a reason. The primary reason is because he is by far the smarter of the two and in my books intelligence can overcome anything.

However, I would also like to see Obama in the Whitehouse because it would be healthy for this country on both sides. It will give young black kids an amazing role model and the example of the American dream personified.

It will put what I call "black political agitators" like Al Sharpton into the roll as gutter cleaner. No longer "the voice of Blacks" in America, but a whisper.

It will also show bigotted whites that a black man is every bit a white man's equal and in many cases his superior. Bottom line is I grew up with a book in my hand and studied my *** off and there was NO WAY I was ever going to be editor of Harvard's Law Review. Kudos to Obama, he is one smart dude.

I think it will also paint a very different picture of America abroad (I know the neo-con haters don't think this is important), but it is very important when considering international affairs and diplomacy. Like it or not, many perceive America as a land of intolerance and racism. Obama in the Whitehouse pretty much destroys that myth.

Sure America is full of bigots, as are most other western country, but they are in the HUGE minority. There are bigots of every race and religion, it is the nature of some to feel this way but I think his win will prove this country isn't as polarized on the issue of race as some make out. I have been told by many people that they "just can't vote for a black guy", but for every whitey that tells me that, 10 others are big time on the Obama train.

One last thing about Obama and the assasination plot. Others mentioned the attempts on Reagan, JFK, heck even Abe but the difference is, the attempts on those guys were ar result of their policies, not their race. In this sense, Obama is different. The nutbags targetting him were misguided honkeys who probably didn't get hugged in the tender years and now they think Obama represents the final nail in the honkey tonk coffin. I think most of us reasonable honkeys know this is BS.

[User Name]

Okay fine, I can't control myself any longer...

Zaino sucks!!!!

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