Obama or McCain?

[User Name]

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

Jr. & I saw a M/P sign today a bit further south. Bergen County? What happened to Brooklyn?

Brooklyn's where my heart is, but I've been in Bergen since I got married 5 years ago, but nothing beats Bayridge BK as far as I'm concerned!!!

[User Name]

Originally Posted by rt4x4

Believe Bush will go down a notch or two below Carter, and what is a Bill Maher type?

Just a notch or two? Maybe about 10 or 12 notches...

Bill Maher types... independent minded, not afraid that the sky is falling and also not afraid to tell a conservative to buzz off, using words not permitted on this forum! LOL

[dave40co]

Originally Posted by User Name

Just a notch or two? Maybe about 10 or 12 notches...

Bill Maher types... independent minded, not afraid that the sky is falling and also not afraid to tell a conservative to buzz off, using words not permitted on this forum! LOL

Just what I expected!

[MikeWinLDS]

McCain is real cool. Why wouldn't I want to vote for a fear and hate mongerer like this:

YouTube - McCain Defends His Campaign's Robocalls

Not to mention the fact that Palin doesn't know who Obama is, most likely due to the fact that she doesn't read any newspapers or magazines. Why wouldn't I want to vote for them?

Props for Fox News though. I would have never expected them to call McCain out on his bullcrap like they did. Well, maybe O'Reilly wouldn't have. McCain is getting pretty desperate.

Well, I take that back. If I was greedy and cared about money more than people, maybe I would vote for McCain. But then again, I'm not living in a mechanical society, nor am I a hermit.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by MikeWinLDS

Well, I take that back. If I was greedy and cared about money more than people, maybe I would vote for McCain. But then again, I'm not living in a mechanical society, nor am I a hermit.

Dude,

I have to give you 100% respect for two reasons:

1. You happen to be spot on correct and;

2. You're from McCain's home state, where many view him as akin to the Messiah. It really takes some serious indpendent judgment to come to see beyond the BS when you probably bombarded by McCain zombies.

For the record... I use to really like McCain (the 2000 McCain). There is NO doubt the Bush and Rove railroaded McCain's career in probably the worst primary smear America has ever seen. I also have NO DOUBT that 2000 McCain would have been a much better Prez than Bushie II.

However, like most, McCain figured he'd never win if he continued ACTUALLY straight talking and fighting elections on issues. He's redcued himself to the lowest common denominator in politics and in my opionion has zero credibility. He's no longer a "straight talker" and is only a maverick if maverick means "sell your soul to the devil and do everything the machine asks of you". If that's the definition of a maverick, yes Sarah I agree, you both are the two biggest Maverick's I've ever seen.

[hondaguy2582]

Mccain by a longshot. Im not a sheep and refuse to listen to the liberal media!!!!

[dave40co]

Originally Posted by User Name

Dude,

You're from McCain's home state, where many view him as akin to the Messiah. It really takes some serious indpendent judgment to come to see beyond the BS when you probably bombarded by McCain zombies.

The only one in this race that has been viewed as a "Messiah" has been Obama per his good friend, Louis Farrakhan.

American Thinker Blog: Farrakhan calls Obama 'the messiah'

Chicago "style" CHANGE

CHANGE CHICAGO STYLE

Body count. In the last six months
Chicago - 292 killed (murdered)
Iraq - 221
Chicago is a combat zone.

Who is in charge?
(The leadership in Illinois)
Senator Barack Obama (Democrat)
Senator **** Durbin (Democrat)
Representative Jesse Jackson Jr. (Democrat)
Governor. Rod Blogojevich (Democrat)
House leader Mike Madigan (Democrat)

Attorney General. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike), (Democrat)
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley) (Democrat)
Of course they're all blaming each other.
Why?
They can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County (Chicago)
Sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look it up up if you want).
Chicago school system one of the worst in country.
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.
And he says he is going to 'fix' Washington politics?


Isn't that right "simply better?" Also known as "User Name."

[dave40co]

This is the procedure that Obama voted for,

Partial Birth Abortion Diagrams

This is one of the main reasons I would never vote for him! I hope that each one of you that actually view the link would think about the treasures you have around you, FAMILY, and never want a man that approves of this as President. Oh, yea, he thought this was OK! Our President has to be more compassionate then this!

Bring on the tolerant Liberals!

[dave40co]

Originally Posted by User Name

Just a notch or two? Maybe about 10 or 12 notches...

Bill Maher types... independent minded, not afraid that the sky is falling and also not afraid to tell a conservative to buzz off, using words not permitted on this forum! LOL

How about a self confessed drug user that does not believe in God, does not have children (that he claims), has never been married and has no real responsibilities except to himself.

[MikeWinLDS]

Originally Posted by dave40co

The only one in this race that has been viewed as a "Messiah" has been Obama per his good friend, Louis Farrakhan.

American Thinker Blog: Farrakhan calls Obama 'the messiah'

Chicago "style" CHANGE

CHANGE CHICAGO STYLE

Body count. In the last six months
Chicago - 292 killed (murdered)
Iraq - 221
Chicago is a combat zone.

Who is in charge?
(The leadership in Illinois)
Senator Barack Obama (Democrat)
Senator **** Durbin (Democrat)
Representative Jesse Jackson Jr. (Democrat)
Governor. Rod Blogojevich (Democrat)
House leader Mike Madigan (Democrat)

Attorney General. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike), (Democrat)
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley) (Democrat)
Of course they're all blaming each other.
Why?
They can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County (Chicago)
Sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look it up up if you want).
Chicago school system one of the worst in country.
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.
And he says he is going to 'fix' Washington politics?


Isn't that right "simply better?" Also known as "User Name."

Where to begin? Let's see...

U.S. Military Deaths By Year (iCasualties: Iraq Coalition Casualty Count)
2003: 486
2004: 849
2005: 846
2006: 822
2007: 904

Murders in Chicago By Year (http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webpor...Murder2005.pdf)
2003: 599
2004: 448
2005: 448
2006: 467
2007: 442

Homicides in Chicago 1990-2007 (Table 8 (Illinois) - Crime in the United States 2005 from Crime in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
1990: 851
1991: 927
1992: 943
1993: 931
1994: 929
1995: 827
1996: 789
1997: 759
1998: 704
1999: 641
2000: 628
2001: 666
2002: 647
2003: 598
2004: 448
2005: 449
2006: 467
2007: 442

Looks like violent crime has been decreasing over the years in Chicago, while US troop casualties have been increasing in Iraq. So which one has the better track record? I don't have a doctorate in teaching Math, but I'm pretty sure Chicago wins.

Also, it's interesting how the tally in your chain spam e-mail doesn't account for any Iraqi or American civilian deaths. Hmm, I wonder why they left out that tally: I guess those "bodies" are unimportant and worthless.

But I'll play along. Let's follow suit and attribute all the "bad" statistics we can dig up on the United States to its current leader President George W. Bush. Or how about the fact that Palin is pro-Abstinence, yet she couldn't even handle her own teenage daughter getting pregnant. How's she going to handle America?

Sounds stupid doesn't it? Well that's exactly what the idiots behind that e-mail are suggesting. But I guess I can see why people would fall for this, seeing as they "refuse" to look at opposing viewpoints and act like sheep.

Now as for the rest of your brainwashed lunacy, I found that I was not the only one who thinks that so-called Chicago combat zone statistics chain spam e-mail is completely asinine. Since you probably won't take my word for it, I did some Googling for you, so I'll just quote these people and let the words speak for themselves:

Originally Posted by intercedeGLI

VWvortex Forums: Latest FWD email from my republican buddy, Iraq vs Chicago

And what, precisely, does a Senator in the United States Congress have to do with making laws in Chicago?

He can't legislate more money for the police force, the local education system, urban clean-up projects, drug programs, et. al. that are needed locally. His job is to look out for Illinois with respect to national interests.

For 12,852,548 citizens in Illinois in 2007, there were 752 violent deaths.

For 6,338,755 citizens in Arizona in 2007, there were 468 violent deaths.

Take that for what it's worth.

U. S. Crime Statistics Total and by State 1960 - 2007

Originally Posted by DIAF

VWvortex Forums: Latest FWD email from my republican buddy, Iraq vs Chicago

The idiocy in this thread is astounding.

Population of Chicago - approximately 3,000,000.

Population of armed forces in Iraq - approximately 140,000

Hmmmm, so roughly the same number of dead when there's 20 times as many people.

Good email buddy. good email.

Now what are the Iraq civilian deaths? Oh, you don't have that number?

Idiot.

Originally Posted by guswilly

292 more killed in last six months. Iraq? - Topic Powered by eve community

To associate a United States Senator to the crime rate and school system performance of the state that elected them to the US Senate is quite ridiculous. A United States Senator is responsible for voting on national issues that come through the US Legislature. I certainly would never associate Senators Arlen Specter and Bob Casey with the murder rate in Philadelphia. That responsibility lies in the Chief of Police, the City Mayor, and the Attorney General; and none of those are positions ever held by Senator Obama. If you’d like to consider his previous position as an Illinois State Senator, again, look at the position. He was responsible for writing the laws and voting on the laws (a record which includes over 150 votes in favor of tougher penalties on criminals). The state budgetary issues lie with the Governor, not any one Senator; the State House only requires a majority to pass a state budget (generally around 60%). Others were hired and elected to enforce those laws, and have obviously fallen short of their goal. And the broad generalization of “no Republicans to blame” may be true for Chicago, but for the United States, we’ve gone from a tremendous surplus of cash thanks to President Clinton, to the largest deficit in the history of our nation under a George W Bush presidency, and Senator Obama has been consistent in reminding voters, John McCain has voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time.
There are plenty of issues with real substantive differences of opinion between the two candidates running for President, but the facts you’ve provided don’t belong on either candidates resume.

Originally Posted by Amorphous Blob AKA Bolbsu Ohproma

Body count. In the last six months. Chicago - 292 killed (murdered)...

Oy. A US senator has no, zero, jurisdiction over the city of Chicago, and no influence on its politics.

...

A US Senator can do nothing to affect the murder rate. People whose job it is to reduce the murder rate have not had much success either. "Clout" means political influence - are you saying that if he had exercized some political influence that he could have reduced the murder rate? What political influence would that be? By your logic, President Bush is responsible for the murder rate in Chicago.

Originally Posted by The three cousins from the d

Body count. In the last six months. Chicago - 292 killed (murdered)...

Im pretty sure if you look for those stat every senator,and every other politicans have areas that are just bigger then them. Trying to pin a whole epidmic in Illionis on Barack Obama would be just idotic beacuse it's not Barack Obama job to police the streets he's not a police officer he's a senator all he can do is be like a coach and pass laws or call plays and hope those under him do what it takes to achieve his desired goal. So what im saying is even if Barack said we're going to make it a no murder zone it would be up to those under him enforce it but still the whole situation doesn't fall on his lap alone.

Originally Posted by ugotthat

Did you know that more Americans are murdered annually in Chicago than in Iraq? - Yahoo! Answers

Since when does a State Senator control the police department of a city? Isn't that the mayor's job? Seems to me the Mayor of Chicago is responsible for reducing crime not the Illinois state Senator. Now if it's funding for the state that's something different

Just like Hillary Clinton is a New York State senator but Mayor Bloomberg is responsible for New York City, it's police force and ultimately crime reduction.

It's getting to be a bad habit how Republicans are banking on the stupidity of the American public.

Originally Posted by darrin b

How can Obama solve a war in Pakistan, Aphganistan, Iraq when he can't stop a war on the south side of Chicago - Yahoo! Answers

Guess what?

You should be asking the mayor of Chicago what's going on on the south side of Chicago.

Do you know what Congress people do? They MAKE LAWS. They don't patrol the streets of the districts they respresent.

That's what a mayor is for and he is the one who hires law enforcement officers.

Anyway, please don't insult us with your feigned intelligence and take your ludicrous chain e-mail spam elsewhere. You're not fooling anyone, anyone with a brain that is. Come back when you can think for yourself instead of echoing the RNC hate machine.



I'd welcome your next piece of propaganda, but what's the point? You don't subscribe to logic or reason, and it seems like you guys are just inciting others to get into a flame war and banned from the forums, kinda like the epithets being thrown around at McCain rallies, how funny. So that's it for me with all this election nonsense. We'll see what vision is in store on November 4th. Good night.

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[Spilchy]

Originally Posted by MikeWinLDS

Or how about the fact that Palin is pro-Abstinence, yet she couldn't even handle her own teenage daughter getting pregnant. How's she going to handle America?

What? How dare you! But she's not just a maverick, she's a hockey mom, pit bull, Joe six pack maverick! Ha, take that! Who are you calling sheep?! The throngs of us sitting on a waiting list for those mavericky glasses?

Colin Powell said it best on Meet the Press; the role of the (hopefully qualified) VP is to become President should he die or become incapacitated in office. People seem to forget that. Powell spoke eloquently as to his support for Obama but the same spam e-mail senders will drum up another one saying he's supporting him because he's half black - guaranteed (just like Obama is a Muslim one I get). Whose going to fall for it? Joe six packs and their hockey mom wives who want Palin glasses.

[Bunky]

This election is not between McCain and Obama. It is a for Obama or a vote against Obama.

The republicans could be running anyone and it would not really change the results at this point.

I suspect whomever wins will have a difficult time to get re-elected in 4 years.