Obama or McCain?

[dave40co]

Originally Posted by MikeWinLDS

Funny, that's exactly how the rest of the world views the "world police" known as the USA, and then you sit there and wonder why the rest of the world hates us. If you want everyone else to mind their own business, then maybe you should mind your own business as well. But as it has been pointed out already, that line of thinking is idiotic, because, like it or not, we share this globe with other countries and what we do affects them, vice versa (especially invading countries and usurping their governments, and I'm not just talking about Iraq). Try taking a history class once in a while. What about all those Germans who voted for Hitler? Leave them alone, OUTSIDERS! Can't wait until the US is no longer a super power and gets slapped off its high holier-than-thou horse. Then maybe people will start using their brains instead of trying to shoot everyone and blow up everything. Hypocritical Barbarians.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled living-in-a-bubble broadcast of the United Earth of America: YouTube - Bush Dictator

When you grow up, start thinking on your own and stop listening to little snippets on Youtube, you will begin to really understand the reasons we have gotten into the wars we have. I am not trying to make fun of you or dis you in any way. It took me until I was 27 to start examining things from a different point of view. I firmly believe that history will show that Bush was right on for invading Iraq. I know that will ruffle a lot of feathers here but it is what I think. I see you live in the U.S. Do you really want us to be slapped off of our so called "High Horse?" If that is the case, I think you should take the advise about moving to Canada.

[User Name]

Dude, the first thing I'm going to say is there are good meds for your paranoia and if you look carefully at a map, the US and Canada share the world's longest unguarded border. I'm not the enemy, ergo, no need to be defensive.

Now to the substance (or lack thereof):

Originally Posted by dave40co

1. As Americans we have provided your defense and covered your butts for many years.

Dude, don't make jokes. What or who does Canada need defending from? You can "chicken little" your Yankee mates as much as you like, but it really has no effect on Canucks. We don't share your "there coming to kill us mentality".

The reality is, Canada is a pretty unimportant place in terms of political significance. Nobody it rushing out to blow up Maple Leaf Gardens or drain Niagara Falls, so I think we can do without all your protection.

What you said is akin to the following analogy...

It's like you telling me that you are going to stand in front of my house and protect me from Biff, because Biff wants to beat up my neighbor. The only way Biff gets me is if he's so stupid he can't see I live at 26 Richguy way, not 28. In which case, I'll take may chances but thanks for the offer.

2. The Kyoto Treaty is flawed and so called global warming has been proven as junk science. I recycle and try to conserve to leave a better and cleaner planet for my grandson and kids.

You're in la la land. "Junk science", except that it is pretty much accepted by EVERY reputable scientist on the planet.

3. Refer to #1 And ask the Democrats why the "Community Reinvestment Act" was so important. The failed policies of Jimmy Carter and reinforced by "BUBBA BLOW JOB Clinton" led the world down this economic crisis. See who was really in control of the mortgage mess! As far as the border, I do not see many Canadians coming here to squirt out "anchor babies" and steal jobs.

I don't support any politicians, but ideology and you are actually arguing against yourself. You happen to be 100% right about Bubba (and not just about the BJ's) but he loosened regs on lendors and the SEC which led to this mess, but if you give a gander at some Soviet Canuckistan newspapers (TheStar.com), you'll see that other than having a really bad shooting night in Toronto, they aren't facing NEARLY the banking problems the US has. You know why? Simple... better regulation of lenders.

4. Refer to #1 once again! We have been the PROVEN leaders in this hemisphere! If it wasn't for the U.S.A. all Canadians would be speaking French and dropping their guns once.

Yes, you keep refering me to fallacy #1, but I've taken care of it, as for your rendition of history, alas, it is as wayward as your view of politics.

Do me a favor and do a bit research on the War of 1812 and you'll see that British loyalists defeated marauding Yankee forces to preserve "British North America". In fact, you're knowledge of simple historical fact is so wrong, the truth is, "if it was up to the USA, we'd all be speaking French now". Sorry chap but pick up a book and read.

5. The Canadian government apparently saw that it was a threat and decided on their own to supply troops.

Um... nope. Actually, again, if you actually read a news story outside of your borders, you'd see that the US asked Canada (an ally) for help (post 9/11) and Canadians were only to happy to oblige our biggest ally. But thanks for saying thanks.

We all know that Afghanistan was a threat and history will prove that going into Iraq was a wise decision.

Huh?

This is like saying... "I like summer better than winter because ham sandwiches taste great". You have strung a sentence together out of two thoughts that share nothing.

Lastly, if you are not voting or are not an American citizen then kindly stay out off our political arena. You have no say in the matter. If that upsets some of you, too bad. I have had friends and family killed and maimed in wars defending MY right to say what I have to say. I will stand with my flag, gun and crucifix to make my point. I am sick and tired of OUTSIDERS telling me what I should believe and how I should vote.

Well, my wife and two kids are American. All of my co-workers and best friends are Americans. My mother is an American and so are my maternal grandparents and half of my family. Most of them are auto workers in Michigan and I am very proud to say that none of my friends or family ever say things as simple as what you wrote.

We live in a complex world with complex problems. Standing beside your "flag, gun and crucifix" doesn't make you American, it just makes you intolerant of reason. I don't have a flag in my home (not Canadian nor American), I go to Church every Sunday, but never stand behind a crucifix and heaven forbid I keep a gun in my house, with children around.

Nope, not this commie. I teach my kids to read every newspaper they can get their hands on (well, not yet - but I will). I'll teach them to analyze what is written and scrutinize the validity of the words. I'll teach them that we live in a complex world which cannot be contemplated by a line of flags, guns and crosses. In fact, one of my kids might be President of the US one say, and if so, I'd hope they'd be willing to learn from every place on the planet to make the US the best it can possibly be.

BTW, how many times have you travelled abroad in your life? (And by abroad, I don't mean Idaho).

[qwertydude]

Bravo User Name, intelligence is so rare to find in common American society it's pathetic.

[salty]

Barack Obama's proclamation last July to being a "citizen of the world" was affirmed Monday as a new poll -- taken before the August conventions -- showed that in 16 out of 17 countries surveyed he was the overwhelming choice to be the next president of the United States.

The lone country to prefer a John McCain presidency: the U.S.

The Reader's Digest magazine poll, released Monday, asked 17,000 people in 17 countries, including the U.S., whom they would like to see elected president.

The poll also found that, counter to Obama's claims that America's reputation abroad is taking a beating, half of the 16 countries surveyed offered strong "pro-American" sentiments.

Obama's favorability ratings soared in Brazil, Taiwan, Germany -- the site of his "citizen of the world" pronouncement -- and the Netherlands, where support for the Illinois senator exceeded 90 percent. The Reader's Digest poll findings are consistent with other international polls conducted this year on the presidential race.

A BBC poll released Sept. 10, for instance, found that Obama was preferred 4-to-1 on average across 22,000 people surveyed in 22 foreign countries.

Full article at

Global Poll Finds Obama Preferred in All Countries But U.S. - FOXNews.com Elections

[TH0001]

Username you refer to Candians as us? Are you candaian because it says New Jersey, which means you live in America...

(not saying this is you) I hate people from other countries who talk about how bad the USA is while they choose to live here...

[Bunky]

Originally Posted by TH0001

Username you refer to Candians as us? Are you candaian because it says New Jersey, which means you live in America...

(not saying this is you) I hate people from other countries who talk about how bad the USA is while they choose to live here...

I think the native Indians here said the same thing about 400 years ago about some outsiders came here and called it theirs.

[kellyinkc]

"You're in la la land. "Junk science", except that it is pretty much accepted by EVERY reputable scientist on the planet."

Hmmm . Really?

Signers A - Global Warming Petition Project

[jfelbab]

Originally Posted by kellyinkc

"You're in la la land. "Junk science", except that it is pretty much accepted by EVERY reputable scientist on the planet."

Hmmm . Really?

Signers A - Global Warming Petition Project

Don't try to confuse Global Warming Extremists (GWE's) with facts. They will just spit, sputter and scream in uncontrollable rage that this is "junk science". They still have this misguided belief that more scientists favor their view. Any facts to the contrary are considered just so much deceptive propaganda, probably paid for by the big oil companies. If they don't like the facts they will go to any ends to try to discredit those who disagree with them. They like to try to tell us that "EVERY reputable scientist on the planet" agrees with them when that is just another false exaggeration as your link clearly proves.

If there is any silver lining from the global economic crisis it is that these GWE's will be forced to sit this dance out on the sideline. Simply put, this present economy can't support their expensive Global Warming theories.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by kellyinkc

"You're in la la land. "Junk science", except that it is pretty much accepted by EVERY reputable scientist on the planet."

Hmmm . Really?

Signers A - Global Warming Petition Project

The scientific consensus is clearly expressed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Created in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environmental Programme, IPCC's purpose is to evaluate the state of climate science as a basis for informed policy action, primarily on the basis of peer-reviewed and published scientific literature. In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations".

BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change -- Oreskes 306 (5702): 1686 -- Science

Oh, and BTW, your "petition" took 10 years to compile and is signed by a bunch of "scientists" who have nothing to do with studying climate change. On a global scale, 30,000 signatures probably represents less than 1% of the world's scientists.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by TH0001

Username you refer to Candians as us? Are you candaian because it says New Jersey, which means you live in America...

(not saying this is you) I hate people from other countries who talk about how bad the USA is while they choose to live here...

Canadian Dad, American Mom, born in Canada, lived in the US for the last 12 years, American wife, 2 American kids.

I refer to myself as Canerican.

Also, I didn't see once where I "talked bad" about America but that brings up a good point...

Suppose I tell a story about the "Tuskegee Experiments" (for those who haven't read about it, please see here http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762136.html). If I tell that story, would you say I'm "talking bad" about America?

I ask, because it seems to me that amongst a small % of so called "patriots", if you tell the truth about a specific incident, you are deemed a person who hates America.

Let me explain it another way...

I'm sitting in front of my house. I see my neighbor John shoot his wife Sarah and kill her. Six months later, I tell my friend bill the story of what I witnessed. Is it fair to say, "oh username, you hate John because you told what you saw"?

It boggles my mind.

[Bunky]

Originally Posted by User Name

Let me explain it another way...

I'm sitting in front of my house. I see my neighbor John shoot his wife Sarah and kill her. Six months later, I tell my friend bill the story of what I witnessed. Is it fair to say, "oh username, you hate John because you told what you saw"?

You are not patriotic if the John was a republican. If he was a democrat, Clinton, Obama (or any democrat) would get blamed for causing the incident and that would be considered fact.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by Bunky

You are not patriotic if the John was a republican. If he was a democrat, Clinton, Obama (or any democrat) would get blamed for causing the incident and that would be considered fact.

Exactly! That is a strange phenomenon in politics in the US. Why is it that one party seems to have the right to claim "patriotism" while the others hate America?

I'm sorry, I don't agree with all there politics, but to me, most people who dedicate their lives to public life, love America. We may disagree with their views, but not their love of the country.

Also... isn't it dissent that makes America great? If there was no dissent, wouldn't we be China or North Korea?