Obama or McCain?

[BigAl3]

Originally Posted by Holden_C04

Far more applicable, IMO, as McCain's ideology is remarkably similar to fascist/nazi party beliefs or platforms whereas Obama has no relation to Osama other than the similarity in name. In fact, Osama has a similar hard-line philosophy to American neo-cons being that they are both religious fanatics.

holden, the obama picture was a joke and i'm sorry if i offended anyone. i know these type of threads (political) can ruffle a few feathers and i was just trying to lighten things up...

[Holden_C04]

Originally Posted by BigAl3

holden, the obama picture was a joke and i'm sorry if i offended anyone. i know these type of threads (political) can ruffle a few feathers and i was just trying to lighten things up...

Yeah...it's funny, I can't recall the last heated discussion I had about Canadian politics. I really can't. We all seem to be closer together in ideology so even the furthest poles are not that far apart.

It was probably meant as a joke, but this election is not very funny at all.

[User Name]

I thought both were funny in a sick kind of way.

[dave40co]

Originally Posted by Holden_C04

Yeah...it's funny, I can't recall the last heated discussion I had about Canadian politics. I really can't. We all seem to be closer together in ideology so even the furthest poles are not that far apart.

It was probably meant as a joke, but this election is not very funny at all.

Why are you so concerned, as a Canadian, what happens in OUR election?

[User Name]

Originally Posted by dave40co

Why are you so concerned, as a Canadian, what happens in OUR election?

Well, it wasn't asked of me, but I've got some thoughts on it because there are many reasons.

1. We live in a "global village", therefore, what happens in the US, undoubtedly will affect Canadians.

2. Most Canadians are pretty strong environmentalist (ie: Canada is a signatory to the Kyoto Treaty, which the US will not sign). So, from a Canadian perspective, we would like to see our neighbor step up the environmental protection (PrObama).

3. Different US leaders have different policies which will directly affect Canadians, whether it be about security (border crossings) or the economy (the value of the dollar can be directly linked to the US economy). Incidentally, the Loonie has dropped about 10 cents US in less than two months.

4. Why wouldn't he be interested? Do you think Canadians ONLY follow their own politics? I would be willing to bet many Canadians follow Canadian, American and maybe even British politics. Did you know that when I was in the 10th grade in Canada I took "American History" as an elective history course (had a choice to take "Modern Western Civilization" but chose US history instead). Do you think it is wise to ONLY concern yourself with your own national politics?

5. Canada has troops in Afghanistan, maybe he has friends or relatives in the Canadian armed forces, so the next US President will influence what happens there. Reason enough, no?

[TH0001]

Do you understand the difference between individual racism and institutional racism? Do I believe there are racist black folks? 100% yes but that is not what intellectual people talk about when dealing with issues of race.

I guess I am not intellectual (ie liberal) because I don't talk about that. I talk about any race treating any race differently, because that is racism, period... In fact it goes two ways and in my experince I find way more black people that hate white people then vice a versa, but thats not what intellectual people discuss apparently (ie its not politcally correct)

You look at things like predatory lending practices geared towards minorities, housing discrimination, education funding etc... I have abstained from the race issue because it is way more complex than a guy calling you a cracker at a bar.

We agree and disagree to a point on this. I think lowering standards for people of certain races to get into college is a forum of slavery. In fact I think a lot of liberal practices actually do more to hold people down. Instead of lowering standards we should focus on making sure that ALL poor and lower income people have access to quality education. If they choose not to use it, too bad...

As far as predatory lending practices occur on a race blind level. I think poor people are targeted, but I really don't know enough about this to debate it with you.

This is how racism affects me, and I can only speak for me...

My wife's friend was intering at a innercity school and she heard the black teacher tell the mostly black students that she "White people hate black people and that the white people are holding black people down. My wife's friend reported this to UCF (her school at the time), Orange County Public Schools, and who ever else. Nothing was done and she was never contacted further.

Then last year we a teacher who gets fired because she wrote in her email (it made the news) that most of her Puerto Rican students are failing... (which was factual and not said in a bad context.)

When my grandfather came to America in 1924, he was riding at the back of the bus and was often called a "wetback" because he couldn't speak English, probably similar to your Italian ancestors, however, all he ever had to do to overcome the bigotry was learn English, blacks can't change the color of their skin. As I said before, there are MANY racist blacks, but if you think that racism is equally a two way street, you're nuts and this honkey knows what he's talkin bout.

Again I can only speak for myself and I judge people soley on how they treat me and act. To say that all Italians had to do was learn English is pretty ignorant however...

I absolutely think racism is a two way street and will always exist is some people's eyes. The only way to end racism is to get to a point is to treat people equally, to which special gifts for being a certain race does not promote. I think when white people see BET and see a channel that promotes ganstas, rap and murder that sends a certain message. I have seen (obviously considering where I grew up) black people call out there friends for trying to get an education, calling them Uncle Tom's, etc.. When you have a culture (not all black people of course, but this is an easy misconception) that promotes terrible English, no education, and other things out of tune with the majority culture you are going to have friction.

Well, let me posit this to you...

Suppose on the even of the election, Gallup conducts a poll showing Obama with a 7 point lead on election night and ahead by the same margin in places like Ohio, Florida and North Carolina. Everyone is saying the lead is insurmountable.

On election day, Obama loses by 1 or 2 points in each of those States.

Nothing, if memory serves me correctly, both Gore and Kerry where ahead in the polls and lost. Kerry by somewhat of a landslide, I think the polls (based on history) are always wrong. I remember the exit polls saying Kerry was doing so good (on liberal channels of course).

What then? Race?

No! The fact that a black man (in such a horribly racist country as this) has a lead in the polls says a lot for the charcter of this country. But I guess we cannot look at the positive and must rather stretch for the negative?

If he loses then that would indicate (as the past two elections have) that more people in this country are conservative. This may be shock, but twice the country has voted conservative, and both Gore and Kerry are white!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you telling me that you do not believe that some honkeys are telling pollsters they are PrObama, when in fact they have NO intention of "pulling the trigger" and voting for a black man?

I don't know but it sounds like you are speculating and treating your own assumptions as fact.

I'll guarantee you this... I don't know who will win, but Obama's poll numbers are MUCH higher than what he'll get in votes because I've had many other honkeys tell me that they "just can't vote for a black guy". Balee Dat!

Yet this is worse in your eyes then 93% of a race voting for their own? Double standard? That would be racism as well right? Or you believe in double standards and special priveledges as well?

[TH0001]

Originally Posted by Holden_C04

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Far more applicable, IMO, as McCain's ideology is remarkably similar to fascist/nazi party beliefs or platforms whereas Obama has no relation to Osama other than the similarity in name. In fact, Osama has a similar hard-line philosophy to American neo-cons being that they are both religious fanatics.

Acutally Obama's dad was a Muslim (and perhaps his mom?) So it is applicable...

NM, I didn't realize that it was a picture of Osama/Obama....

In both cases I think its bad taste. McCain is not a Nazi (nor close to one, regardless of what you want to think) and Obama isn't Osama....

[dave40co]

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Well, it wasn't asked of me, but I've got some thoughts on it because there are many reasons.

1. We live in a "global village", therefore, what happens in the US, undoubtedly will affect Canadians.

2. Most Canadians are pretty strong environmentalist (ie: Canada is a signatory to the Kyoto Treaty, which the US will not sign). So, from a Canadian perspective, we would like to see our neighbor step up the environmental protection (PrObama).

3. Different US leaders have different policies which will directly affect Canadians, whether it be about security (border crossings) or the economy (the value of the dollar can be directly linked to the US economy). Incidentally, the Loonie has dropped about 10 cents US in less than two months.

4. Why wouldn't he be interested? Do you think Canadians ONLY follow their own politics? I would be willing to bet many Canadians follow Canadian, American and maybe even British politics. Did you know that when I was in the 10th grade in Canada I took "American History" as an elective history course (had a choice to take "Modern Western Civilization" but chose US history instead). Do you think it is wise to ONLY concern yourself with your own national politics?

5. Canada has troops in Afghanistan, maybe he has friends or relatives in the Canadian armed forces, so the next US President will influence what happens there. Reason enough, no?
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1. As Americans we have provided your defense and covered your butts for many years.
2. The Kyoto Treaty is flawed and so called global warming has been proven as junk science. I recycle and try to conserve to leave a better and cleaner planet for my grandson and kids.
3. Refer to #1 And ask the Democrats why the "Community Reinvestment Act" was so important. The failed policies of Jimmy Carter and reinforced by "BUBBA BLOW JOB Clinton" led the world down this economic crisis. See who was really in control of the mortgage mess! As far as the border, I do not see many Canadians coming here to squirt out "anchor babies" and steal jobs.
4. Refer to #1 once again! We have been the PROVEN leaders in this hemisphere! If it wasn't for the U.S.A. all Canadians would be speaking French and dropping their guns once.
5. The Canadian government apparently saw that it was a threat and decided on their own to supply troops. We all know that Afghanistan was a threat and history will prove that going into Iraq was a wise decision. May God speed them all safely home.

Lastly, if you are not voting or are not an American citizen then kindly stay out off our political arena. You have no say in the matter. If that upsets some of you, too bad. I have had friends and family killed and maimed in wars defending MY right to say what I have to say. I will stand with my flag, gun and crucifix to make my point. I am sick and tired of OUTSIDERS telling me what I should believe and how I should vote.

[MikeWinLDS]

Originally Posted by dave40co

I am sick and tired of OUTSIDERS telling me what I should believe and how I should vote.

Funny, that's exactly how the rest of the world views the "world police" known as the USA, and then you sit there and wonder why the rest of the world hates us. If you want everyone else to mind their own business, then maybe you should mind your own business as well. But as it has been pointed out already, that line of thinking is idiotic, because, like it or not, we share this globe with other countries and what we do affects them, vice versa (especially invading countries and usurping their governments, and I'm not just talking about Iraq). Try taking a history class once in a while. What about all those Germans who voted for Hitler? Leave them alone, OUTSIDERS! Can't wait until the US is no longer a super power and gets slapped off its high holier-than-thou horse. Then maybe people will start using their brains instead of trying to shoot everyone and blow up everything. Hypocritical Barbarians.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled living-in-a-bubble broadcast of the United Earth of America: YouTube - Bush Dictator

[TH0001]

Originally Posted by MikeWinLDS

Funny, that's exactly how the rest of the world views the "world police" known as the USA, and then you sit there and wonder why the rest of the world hates us. If you want everyone else to mind their own business, then maybe you should mind your own business as well. But as it has been pointed out already, that line of thinking is idiotic, because, like it or not, we share this globe with other countries and what we do affects them, vice versa (especially invading countries and usurping their governments, and I'm not just talking about Iraq). Try taking a history class once in a while. What about all those Germans who voted for Hitler? Leave them alone, OUTSIDERS! Can't wait until the US is no longer a super power and gets slapped off its high holier-than-thou horse. Then maybe people will start using their brains instead of trying to shoot everyone and blow up everything. Hypocritical Barbarians.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled living-in-a-bubble broadcast of the United Earth of America: YouTube - Bush Dictator

You missed something....

The rest of the world hates us until they need our help, then its all stars and stripes for a couple of months until they get back to hating us.

I suggest you move to Canada, quickly....

[Bunky]

Since we use the electoral college system, the election is going to be decided by 10 or so states. The dem's will get the NEurban areas and California and the republicans will get the western less populated states and the south.

The battleground is the mid-West and Florida. Given the turnout is not anywhere near 100% of registered voters, the winner will be the one that can get out the vote. National polls are meaningless. It is the polls in the battleground states that matter. Judging by the republican tone, they are worried. They abandoned Michigan to concentrate on Ohio, etc.

In 2000, the majority selected Al Gore. Bush won the electoral college. I think the majority was right in 2000 given what has transpired in the last 8 years.

Let's hope whomever wins the best support but I think it will just be a continuation of the same partisanship.

[wytstang]

Originally Posted by TH0001

You missed something....

The rest of the world hates us until they need our help, then its all stars and stripes for a couple of months until they get back to hating us.

I suggest you move to Canada, quickly....

Amen.........