Obama or McCain?

[Setec Astronomy]

Originally Posted by TH0001

Things that scare me about Obama...

ACORN
ACORN
ACORN

You'll have to explain why that is scary, I can't really figure it out. Acorn seems to be a political action group (loosely speaking) that works and advoctates for low income housing, etc. As part of their outreach into those communities, they were apparenlty hired by the Obama primary campaign to provide some voter registration efforts, and they have endorsed his campaign.

This "ACORN" term has only surfaced in the last day or two, you'll have to enlighten us as to what the problem is. Both parties have organizations that endorse their candidates, and both parties/campaigns have voter registration/mobilization efforts which are of course, mainly intended to get out voters for THEIR party.

I don't know how many voters already have their mind made up...maybe 80-90%, I don't know why at this point there needs to be this vitriol surrounding the guy you didn't choose (from either side).

If one guy likes Zaino and the other likes Poorboy's, can't we just leave it at that? Do we have to attack Sal's or Steve's religion, ethnicity, friends, associations, TV shows they watch, soap they use? It may be relevant, but at this point it's not pertinent. All this is doing is getting Americans pissed off at each other. We should just shut up about this until election day, and go vote.

And Todd, I think you can safely vote for McCain, that mortgage buyout plan of his has everybody scratching their head...he's never going to do that. We're at the point in the campaign...I think Obama called it "silly season", where they are both saying ridiculous things to try to close the deal...in the debate McCain pulled out that (socialist) mortgage whopper and Obama all of a sudden was in favor of offshore drilling...Obama was the hawk in the mountains of Afghanistan, while McCain was saying that was crazy...I think they forgot which parties they were in for a minute...

[Setec Astronomy]

Originally Posted by Bunky

It is not much different around here. I see kids driving cars to school (c class, range rovers, etc). Many people will live beyond their means as long as someone will give them credit.

Credit? Didn't those cars get bought by the parents for the kids? I thought that is the way it was now...in my day if you wanted to have a car in HS/college you got a job, saved your money, and bought a POS until you were out and had a job, then you went and got a loan for your dream car. Today it seems the kids get a brand-new car from their parents the day they get their license.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by TH0001

I had a bar tender at a local spot in Harvey Il tell me he wasn't going to serve my cracker-*** right to my face. My friends who I grew up with threw a fit and had my back.

Do you understand the difference between individual racism and institutional racism? Do I believe there are racist black folks? 100% yes but that is not what intellectual people talk about when dealing with issues of race. You look at things like predatory lending practices geared towards minorities, housing discrimination, education funding etc... I have abstained from the race issue because it is way more complex than a guy calling you a cracker at a bar.

So again it goes both ways, and the truth is that no black man will no what is like to a be a white person in a country that seems to hate the majority and make special rules for the minority. It goes both ways.

When my grandfather came to America in 1924, he was riding at the back of the bus and was often called a "wetback" because he couldn't speak English, probably similar to your Italian ancestors, however, all he ever had to do to overcome the bigotry was learn English, blacks can't change the color of their skin. As I said before, there are MANY racist blacks, but if you think that racism is equally a two way street, you're nuts and this honkey knows what he's talkin bout.

If Obama doesn't win, it isn't because of racism...

Well, let me posit this to you...

Suppose on the even of the election, Gallup conducts a poll showing Obama with a 7 point lead on election night and ahead by the same margin in places like Ohio, Florida and North Carolina. Everyone is saying the lead is insurmountable.

On election day, Obama loses by 1 or 2 points in each of those States.

What then? Race?

Are you telling me that you do not believe that some honkeys are telling pollsters they are PrObama, when in fact they have NO intention of "pulling the trigger" and voting for a black man?

I'll guarantee you this... I don't know who will win, but Obama's poll numbers are MUCH higher than what he'll get in votes because I've had many other honkeys tell me that they "just can't vote for a black guy". Balee Dat!

[kellyinkc]

My issue with Obama is not race, it is ACORN, Ayers ( Obama's political career began in his house), Rev Wright et al. Plus his Socialist idea's. I am not too crazy about McCain either.


Michelle Malkin The ACORN Obama knows

Racism runs both ways IMHO.

Kelly

[Bunky]

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

I don't know how many voters already have their mind made up...maybe 80-90%, I don't know why at this point there needs to be this vitriol surrounding the guy you didn't choose (from either side).

I am just sick of the name calling and guilt by association labeling. I really do not think many cares if what is said is intellectually honest as long as their side wins. It is just as partisan as practiced in Congress so you wonder where they get it from.

[dave40co]

Originally Posted by User Name

When my grandfather came to America in 1924, he was riding at the back of the bus and was often called a "wetback" because he couldn't speak English, probably similar to your Italian ancestors, however, all he ever had to do to overcome the bigotry was learn English, blacks can't change the color of their skin. As I said before, there are MANY racist blacks, but if you think that racism is equally a two way street, you're nuts and this honkey knows what he's talkin bout.

I think you are out of line calling him nuts, counselor! Racism is a 2 way street. As a successful Black friend of mine said,"Get over it!" To many people don't take responsibility for their lives and blame every one else and things that happened in the past for THEIR lack of control over their own destinies. I am not talking about only one race or ethnicity here. One of my favorite movies is The Godfather. Well written, great acting, superb story line, but the most powerful thing about that movie is the message. A child is tossed onto the shores of the U.S. and after witnessing the murder of his parents at a young age decides that HE WILL NOT BE A VICTIM. He takes control of his destiny albeit through dubious undertakings, but the important thing is he decides he won't become a puppet on a string. If people would only free themselves of the strings then they can become successful and not depend on quota systems, handouts and government aid. I have witnessed this first hand after being forced out of a major corporation at 47 and now I am holding my own as a real estate agent. It's not easy, but ANYONE has the capability if they apply themselves. Every day is a challenge, but I look at them as opportunities.

[dave40co]

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

You'll have to explain why that is scary, I can't really figure it out. Acorn seems to be a political action group (loosely speaking) that works and advoctates for low income housing, etc. As part of their outreach into those communities, they were apparenlty hired by the Obama primary campaign to provide some voter registration efforts, and they have endorsed his campaign.

This "ACORN" term has only surfaced in the last day or two, you'll have to enlighten us as to what the problem is. Both parties have organizations that endorse their candidates, and both parties/campaigns have voter registration/mobilization efforts which are of course, mainly intended to get out voters for THEIR party.

I don't know how many voters already have their mind made up...maybe 80-90%, I don't know why at this point there needs to be this vitriol surrounding the guy you didn't choose (from either side).

If one guy likes Zaino and the other likes Poorboy's, can't we just leave it at that? Do we have to attack Sal's or Steve's religion, ethnicity, friends, associations, TV shows they watch, soap they use? It may be relevant, but at this point it's not pertinent. All this is doing is getting Americans pissed off at each other. We should just shut up about this until election day, and go vote.

And Todd, I think you can safely vote for McCain, that mortgage buyout plan of his has everybody scratching their head...he's never going to do that. We're at the point in the campaign...I think Obama called it "silly season", where they are both saying ridiculous things to try to close the deal...in the debate McCain pulled out that (socialist) mortgage whopper and Obama all of a sudden was in favor of offshore drilling...Obama was the hawk in the mountains of Afghanistan, while McCain was saying that was crazy...I think they forgot which parties they were in for a minute...

Inside Obama’s Acorn by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online
OHIO MAN BRIBED BY ACORN ACTIVISTS TO REGISTER TO VOTE 72 TIMES - New York Post
Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration - Yahoo! News

[jfelbab]

You know that's what I don't get either. To my way of thinking everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. Just because someone doesn't share my opinion doesn't mean I dislike them or think any less of them as a person. Why do some seem to have to take this as a personal affront to their ego.

People reach decisions based on their lifestyle, background, education, experiences, and a multitude of others things. I wonder how much of this is learned from us watching our Congress in action. LOL

Truth in fact is that either party will lead us. Sometimes well and sometimes not so well but that is the way it works. Sadly, political elections have turned away from issues in past years and concentrate more on negative ads. This is not unique to any party as there are glaring examples on both sides. Sadly for us, this has been demonstrated to be an effective way to win elections.

[Setec Astronomy]

Originally Posted by kellyinkc

My issue with Obama is not race, it is ACORN, Ayers ( Obama's political career began in his house), Rev Wright et al. Plus his Socialist idea's. I am not too crazy about McCain either.

Michelle Malkin The ACORN Obama knows

These are getting really old. Like the Repbulicans don't have any accusations of voter fraud, etc. Both parties use tactics to get out the vote for their party. Sometimes questionable tactics are used. Both parties get endorsements from people/organizations they wish would just shut up. Both parties...well, whatever. If you can find me a politician who has never kissed up, hobnobbed, accepted contributions from, or made sure money flowed somewhere, I guarantee you've found a politician who's never been elected to anything. When you get into who's met who, who's vacationed with who, who's accepted money from who, you're going to find plenty of mud from either side.

Were John McCain and his family flown to the Carribean for a vacation by Charles Keating, who later went to jail for fraud, conspiracy and racketeering? Did Obama get a sweetheart real estate deal from Rezko? Does Obama know a guy who was a domestic terrorist? Does Palin sympathize with secessionist groups who espouse terrorist-style violence?

A guy who was my friend in high school turned out to be a wife-beater. Does that reflect on me? Another guy I went to HS with is a cop, I got a ticket one time and he offered me a "get out of jail free" card (PBA or some such) that I could use in the future, if I took it would that make me corrupt? Am I corrupt because he offered it? Is he? It's easy demonize people.

Originally Posted by jfelbab

To my way of thinking everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. Just because someone doesn't share my opinion doesn't mean I dislike them or think any less of them as a person. Why do some seem to have to take this as a personal affront to their ego.

Truth in fact is that either party will lead us. Sometimes well and sometimes not so well but that is the way it works. Sadly, political elections have turned away from issues in past years and concentrate more on negative ads. This is not unique to any party as there are glaring examples on both sides. Sadly for us, this has been demonstrated to be an effective way to win elections.

And the problem with a campaign of personal attacks is that it causes, fear, resentment, and hatred, and after the election is over...you wind up with the partisan BS that we have, instead of a body of concerned representatives trying to work together for the good of the country. Both candidates pledged not to take the low road they are now on in this campaign.

EDIT: And since race has been mentioned in several of the recent posts, I'll say that I'd rather hear someone say they aren't voting for McCain because he's an old white guy and they're not, or they aren't voting for Obama because he's black, then hear them say they're voting the way they are because of some BS sound bite buzz word created by a marketing hack in the campaign. I think being a bigot is something to be more proud of than being someone who regurtitates negative-campaign nonsense, at least when you're a bigot you're regurgitating your own nonsense.

[User Name]

Originally Posted by Setec Astronomy

I think being a bigot is something to be more proud of than being someone who regurtitates negative-campaign nonsense, at least when you're a bigot you're regurgitating your own nonsense.

Okay fine... I'm not voting for the old white honkey because I'm a race traitor!!! LOL

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[Holden_C04]

Far more applicable, IMO, as McCain's ideology is remarkably similar to fascist/nazi party beliefs or platforms whereas Obama has no relation to Osama other than the similarity in name. In fact, Osama has a similar hard-line philosophy to American neo-cons being that they are both religious fanatics.