s100 and P21S - different or same...cont'd

[RayMan]

There are tons of threads on this and I haven't found anything definitive to convince my either way. So I decided to email s100. Here are my email exchanges:

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ME: Hi, can I use my S100 Carnauba wax on my car? Is there any difference between my S100 and P21S wax?

S100 Customer Service: Dear Sir, There are indeed chemical differences between the two formulations, but you may use them interchangeably, bikes vs. cars.

ME: Thank you. Can you please highlight the differences between the two?

S100 Customer Service: Dear Sir, We really cannot as this gets into ingredients details which are considered to be a trade secret.

ME: I completely understand not revealing any trade secrets and I wouldn't expect you to. Frankly, listing differences in ingredients wouldn't be any help to me as I wouldn't understand what different chemicals do. I'm looking for differences in characteristics that make s100 more suitable for a bike and what characteristics that make p21s more suitable for a car. As I understand, there is no difference in paint used on a car versus paint used on a bike so I'm quite confused. Please enlighten me in layman's terms without giving away any trade secrets.

S100 Customer Service: The formulas differ a bit to account for the fact that a bike's surface is smaller than a car's. We really cannot go much further without getting into confidential areas. From a practical standpoint, we do not think you would see a big difference if you used the products interchangeably.

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In my opinion, the s100 company's response is not overly convincing. Wax formulated for the size of the surface it's going on to? Sounds pretty hocus-pocus to me but what do I know.

Anyways, even if there is a difference, I doubt the P21S is twice as good.

[SpoiledMan]

And that's why many bought and use S100 and pocket the difference.

[stiffdogg06]

Originally Posted by SpoiledMan

And that's why many bought and use S100 and pocket the difference.

Exactly, plus you can get it locally.

- Andrew

[RayMan]

Update:

Here is some additional correspondence after my first post above,

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ME: Sorry to beat a dead horse but can I assume that characteristics such as water-repellency, degree of shine, and longevity of protection are the same?

S100 Customer Service: doubt you would see a difference.

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Reinforces my belief the two are really the same. I think it's shameful they charge double the money for P21S.

[weekendwarrior]

"S100 Customer Service: The formulas differ a bit to account for the fact that a bike's surface is smaller than a car's. We really cannot go much further without getting into confidential areas. From a practical standpoint, we do not think you would see a big difference if you used the products interchangeably."


See - according to this response, you need BOTH P21S and S100. When waxing a small car body part (fuel door) you should use S100, and when waxing a large panel (hood), you should use P21S. It all makes perfect sense now

[kkreit01]

^ LOL -- they wish everyone would do that....

[tom p.]

I'd be curious to hear from anyone that has used both the P21S wheel cleaner vs. the S100 wheel cleaner.

[phrider]

S100 wheel cleaner vs P21S wheel cleaner: only change was a greener glow from my wallet, and availability at the local HD dealer.

[Pennypacker]

Is there an S100 equivalent for P21S 100% Carnauba? That would definitely be nice.

[phrider]

Yup. S100 carnauba, at your Harley Davidson dealer.

[Denzil]

So S100 = P21S 100%? I have to be sure...

[Mindflux]

S100 = P21S debate has been going on forever and ever. Long long before the 100% Carnauba from P21S appeared. The S100 you get from HD is NOT the 100% version. It should be 'more or less' the same as the standard P21S Carnauba wax.

You could go search and find threads from 7 years ago on this very forum about it.