KSG on top of Collinite 476

nytoy · 11-20-05, 06:20

I was curious, I've already clayed and applied one layer of Collinite 476 to my car, rather than start over can I use KSG x 2 and then another layer of Collinite 476 on it?

Or should I use the AIO over the top of the Collinite 476 and then 2 layers of KSG and a final layer of Collinite 476? Just trying to do the best winter protection.

3Dog · 11-20-05, 06:30

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Originally Posted by nytoy

I was curious, I've already clayed and applied one layer of Collinite 476 to my car, rather than start over can I use KSG x 2 and then another layer of Collinite 476 on it?

Or should I use the AIO over the top of the Collinite 476 and then 2 layers of KSG and a final layer of Collinite 476? Just trying to do the best winter protection.

You first are going to have to remove the Collinite...IMO wax is not going to be any kind of base for SG. AIO is a cleaner but fresh wax may be asking a lot.

Neothin · 11-20-05, 06:36

The second process would be best. AIO will remove the layer of 476 on the car leaving a good base for SG to bond to.

nytoy · 11-20-05, 06:43

Ok, so AIO, two layers of KSG, and then 1 or 2 layers of 476s? Is 476 a LSP? Or more for protection? Just wondering what the most protection from the nasty winter salt and stuff we get.

I'm unsure if you can layer 476, should I look at IW(845) or is 476 better for durability?

4830Deuce · 11-20-05, 06:45

KSG is also only suppose to be put on top of AIO and nothing else...

-Justin

3Dog · 11-20-05, 06:46

Technically yes it is a Last Step Product...BUT..most used LSP to mean a sealant not a wax(topper)
Be sure to check that the AIO did its job of giving you a clean base to aplliy the SG.

Accumulator · 11-21-05, 05:50

nytoy- 476S is a LSP and it's a very durable one. It's what I use on my wife's A8 during the winter and that car gets a lot of use. She even runs it through touchless carwashes when she travels and the 476S holds up just fine.

Unless you're just aching to redo the vehicle, I'd just add more Collinite. Two layers of KSG won't protect much (if any) better than a few layers of 476S. I've used both products on winter cars and the Collinite lasted all winter even though that car was outside 24/7.

Yeah, you'd have to remove the Collinite and do the Klasse twins on clean paint. Generally speaking, KSG shouldn't be applied to anything except AIO or previous layers of KSG. I'd just keep adding more 476S. Yeah it layers- mulitiple applications lasted longe for me than one application did.

Honestly, there's no way I'd even consider redoing a vehicle that already had a good prep and some 476S on it.

nytoy · 11-21-05, 06:18

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nytoy- 476S is a LSP and it's a very durable one. It's what I use on my wife's A8 during the winter and that car gets a lot of use. She even runs it through touchless carwashes when she travels and the 476S holds up just fine.

Unless you're just aching to redo the vehicle, I'd just add more Collinite. Two layers of KSG won't protect much (if any) better than a few layers of 476S. I've used both products on winter cars and the Collinite lasted all winter even though that car was outside 24/7.

Yeah, you'd have to remove the Collinite and do the Klasse twins on clean paint. Generally speaking, KSG shouldn't be applied to anything except AIO or previous layers of KSG. I'd just keep adding more 476S. Yeah it layers- mulitiple applications lasted longe for me than one application did.

Honestly, there's no way I'd even consider redoing a vehicle that already had a good prep and some 476S on it.

Ahh thank you, this is the response I was looking for.

I have two vehicles, one that has been clayed with one layer of 476, and one that has been just clayed. So I'll add another layer of 476 to the car that already has a layer on it and go with AIO SG and a final layer of 476 on the car that has just been clayed.

How long do I need to wait in between coats of SG? I'm worried this is the last chance I'll get before winter, so I may have to rush two coats in a row...

I'm assuming I can put 2 coats of 476 on back to back.

EDIT: doh! just searched and saw bill north's WOWO instructions, saying to wait at least another 24 hrs before applying a second coat of SG, does this mean I can't do 476 on top of it for another 24 hrs as well?

NHBFAN · 11-21-05, 02:40

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Originally Posted by 3Dog

Technically yes it is a Last Step Product...BUT..most used LSP to mean a sealant not a wax(topper).

Are you sure about that?

3Dog · 11-21-05, 06:26

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Originally Posted by NHBFAN

Are you sure about that?

Yep, pretty sure.

NHBFAN · 11-21-05, 06:42

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Originally Posted by 3Dog

Yep, pretty sure.

Nah, I bet waxes are the most common LSP's here.

Stop confusing the newbies!

Accumulator · 11-22-05, 06:47

nytoty- I'd try to find a way to wait 24 hours between anything involving KSG. I even like to wait between layes of 476S but I know you're dealing with the weather. Do what you can, I suspect you'll find that everything works out fine no matter what you do. I often think we overdo/overthink this stuff, making it all more involved than it really needs to be

Oh, and as far as I know, LSP= Last Step Product/Process, the last thing you put on/do to the vehicle. For me this is often a carnauba wax. I don't even use sealants on many of our vehicles.