Removing sharpie doesn't equal cleaning properties. - Page 2

BillNorth · 02-24-04, 07:11

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Originally posted by Aurora40
There was a sort of implicit assumption that Zaino or Klasse would layer, though. It's quite possible that Zaino and Klasse don't layer either, but just don't contain a solvent that removes the marker. I mean, all you can really see is that the Zaino over Zaino doesn't remove any more marker, but it doesn't mean it didn't remove all the previous Zaino (or Klasse or whatever). But since the NXT does remove the marker, it makes it seem like a less suitable product, even though it's possible that nothing else really layers, either. Just thinking out loud...

It's possible that z and k aren't layering either. But I'm inclined to believe Sal when he says that his product is layerable. Otherwise, what's the point of ZFX? As for klasse, based on Bob Faragasso's (president of klasse USA) comments in the CMA newsletter I'm inclined to believe that SG is also layerable.

JMHO,

Bill.

Scottwax · 02-24-04, 07:22

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Originally posted by BillNorth
It's possible that z and k aren't layering either. But I'm inclined to believe Sal when he says that his product is layerable. Otherwise, what's the point of ZFX? As for klasse, based on Bob Faragasso's (president of klasse USA) comments in the CMA newsletter I'm inclined to believe that SG is also layerable.

JMHO,

Bill.

Then again, by saying their products are layerable, you will then do so and go through product faster than you otherwise would and have to reorder sooner. Just something else to think about....

spetulla · 02-24-04, 08:05

I'd say Z is layerable but SG isn't.. this is based on the testing im doing right now!

02-24-04, 08:05

Marketers are a brilliant group of individuals, talented to say the least. Who would spend all day trying to figure out what they need to reveal to get you, the consumer, to purchase their clients product ? I would if I made the money they did ! Im with Scott on this one, watch what they claim............personal evaluations and testing by the end user is whats important here....

BW · 02-24-04, 09:35

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Originally posted by blkZ28Conv
A few questions are:
Is a polymer sealant equivalent to a blue or black Sharpie ( MBZ500 verses SRL test )?
Is there a point ( complete curing) that renders a polymer more resistant to mild chemical cleansing agents? Solvent content?
Can a polymer sealant bond properly (completely) to a surface contaminated with a Sharpie-like material? Validity of test conclusions.

Nevertheless, extremely interesting thread which I believe is positive critical feedback to the manufacturer and their possible re-evaluation of product's (NXT's) contents and their effects on potential usage as a LSP for sealant users. All good.

In SRL's test - products we accept as 'non cleaning' (SG, Z2) didn't remove the blue Sharpie. Products that we know for sure have abrasives (NXT, as confirmed by Meguiar's), did remove it. It might not be perfect, but there is definite correlation when applied for automotive detailing. Take this for what it's worth...

BW · 02-24-04, 09:37

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Originally posted by Scottwax
Then again, by saying their products are layerable, you will then do so and go through product faster than you otherwise would and have to reorder sooner. Just something else to think about....

Yes, I know - EX! It clearly contains cleaners, yet Poorboy claims it can be layered. Ugh!

Who else finds it interesting that three layers of ZFX are able to resist NXT better than one?

butchdave · 02-25-04, 05:46

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Originally posted by BillNorth
Regardless of whether or not he was removing sharpie or clearcoat the fact remains that NXT was the only one that actually removed something, while z, k, and water did not. Now this may not necessarily mean that NXT is harsh, but IT DOES give a good indication that Z and K are very gentle, more so than NXT.

The part of the test that I found to be even more compelling was when NXT removed the sharpie that was COVERED by the z2/zfx combo. I think this definitively tells us that NXT will in fact remove other sealants when attempting to layer over top. And that was really the big question on everyones mind.

I agree with the second paragraph but not all of the first. Just because NXT removed sharpie DOES NOT mean that Z and K are more gentle than NXT (although they may be). It may simply mean that the carrier for NXT will dissolve the Sharpie (and the sealants). I know that Megiuars are saying that there is *some* cleaning with NXT.

Scottwax · 02-25-04, 06:12

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Originally posted by BW
It might not be perfect, but there is definite correlation when applied for automotive detailing. Take this for what it's worth...

True, but only if you want to use Zaino (or maybe Klasse SG) as a base to layer NXT of it. If you are using NXT on its own, then the test has no relevance.

Scottwax · 02-25-04, 06:19

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Originally posted by BW
Yes, I know - EX! It clearly contains cleaners, yet Poorboy claims it can be layered. Ugh!

I don't layer Poorboys either.

The only product I ever layered was UPP and I didn't really see an appreciable (as in worth the time and product) difference between 1 and 3 layers. I only noticed a slight improvement when I added the second layer, probably because that ensured complete coverage.

stanger99 · 02-25-04, 06:28

[quote]Originally posted by BW
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Who else finds it interesting that three layers of ZFX are able to resist NXT better than one?

I found it very interesting. Pretty convincing evidence that Zaino layers...and quite effectively. Now a really interesting test would be to use more than just zaino to "protect" the marker. For example, make 5 lines. Cover one with Z2, one with Z2x3, one with SG, one with Platinum(or whatever it is called now) and maybe one with something else. Then use NXT in the same fashion as the test above to gain some insight into the relative protective qualities of these sealants. Some will say that it only shows relative protection against NXT cleaners, but who cares. It should be interesting.

Aurora40 · 03-02-04, 03:58

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Originally posted by BW
Who else finds it interesting that three layers of ZFX are able to resist NXT better than one?

Yes, that's certainly a good point. My intention was not to definitively say they layer or don't layer. Though, the removing of more or less marker could be dependent on other things like how hard or soft he rubbed, or how much NXT was on the pad, or how far it had soaked into the pad (away from the face of it), or how thick the Zaino was applied or how well it was buffed, etc.