Can I have my crow slightly warmed, please? - Page 2

rydawg · 03-29-08, 08:34

Glad you enjoyed the results of finessing with a finishing pad. While there are lots of great products out there, Ultrafina just works wonders for me. What you see is what you get with no issues.

106 and 85rd are great polishes too and I do use them, but you have to make sure you do a few IPA wipedowns to remove the oils for inspection and proper adhesion.

SuperBee364 · 03-29-08, 09:28

You guys definitely have me convinced to buy the Ultrafina and the blue foam, but I'm still having a hard time finding it in stock anywhere. Anyone have an internet supplier for this stuff?

TTWAGN · 03-29-08, 11:15

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Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Of course, alot of that work was self-inflicted. I could have skipped the white finishing wool entirely, but the SIP was definitely needed after the PG. It would be great to be able to go right from M105 straight to the Ultrafina.

More help/ideas/thoughts/criticisms greatly appreciated.

Ultrafina is pretty fine. I've seen two online reviews and ultrafina may struggle to take out the marring if M105 is used with a twisted wool pad.

Menzerna 106FF from my limited experience and from all reports will have a much better chance at removing the marring and holograms created from m105. Though this also has a lot to do with the pad choice. A light polishing pad will remove the holograms with ultrafina where as 106FF and a finishing pad may no be strong enough. With the same pad though 106FF will be a bit stronger.

So even though ultrafina may finish better it may lack the strength and require two passes, in which case it may be worth going 106FF if you are pressed for time.

On a different note i'd reccomend you buy all of the solo pads. Having wool pads for cutting and foam pads for final polishing is pretty much spot on. Ensures awesome results every time.

DieselMDX · 03-29-08, 11:38

106ff has a cut of 2.5

85rd has a cut of 1.5

seems to me UF and 85 are similar in cut which is not much

ptaylor_9849 · 03-30-08, 04:32

Todd or Ryan, do you think Ultrafina or 85RD would help increase the gloss on my C6 corvette or is the clear too hard to really be affected by such low cut products or does the cut even have anything to do with it? In short, will this "Jeweling" technique work on rock hard clears?

Patrick

David Fermani · 03-30-08, 04:45

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Originally Posted by DieselMDX

seems to me UF and 85 are similar in cut which is not much

But, according to the EPOCH's test, 85rd has much greater gloss on the gloss meter than Ultrafina:

UF = 90.5
85RD = 99.1

So, does that mean that UF's greatest use (and what it was designed for) would be for anti-hologram/swirl removal, not jeweling/burnishing?

SuperBee - Could you go back to this thread & edit because of your new found enlightenment:

http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-p...highlight=wool

bwalker25 · 03-30-08, 05:09

grainger carries all the 3m stuff, they are a little high unless you have an account with them.

you also have to have a business license to purchase from them...call them up and see what they can do for you....

bwalker25 · 03-30-08, 05:14

R & E Paint Supply

they carry the 3m ultrafina stuff as well, even the pads. they also have bulk pricing on some stuff.

QUART 3M 05751, Perfect-It Ultrafina Foam Polishing Pad, 8", (2) per pack - $26.95

QUART 3M 06068, Perfect-It 3000, Ultrafina SE, Swirl Eliminator - $35.18 (ea)
bulk (6 min purchase) - $31.81(ea)

GAL 3M 06069, Perfect-It 3000, Ultrafina SE, Swirl Eliminator - $120.88
bulk (4 min purchase) - $108.16

dont know if those are good prices, and dont know what shipping will be like...but that should get you started

TH0001 · 03-30-08, 06:27

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Originally Posted by David Fermani

But, according to the EPOCH's test, 85rd has much greater gloss on the gloss meter than Ultrafina:

UF = 90.5
85RD = 99.1

So, does that mean that UF's greatest use (and what it was designed for) would be for anti-hologram/swirl removal, not jeweling/burnishing?

SuperBee - Could you go back to this thread & edit because of your new found enlightenment:

http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-p...highlight=wool

I would say on that particular paint, 85RD would be the better choices. IMO, there are way too many factors involved in a question like that to even cite more that example as more then an interesting read (or use it as proof of anything) would be inappropriate.

Factors such as pad type and paint hardness will influence the results, as well as external factors such as tempature and humidity. So on that particular day, for the particular paint, with that particular gentleman using that particular machine PO85RD produced a higher gloss (or whatever that machine is measuring).

I have found UF-SE to leave a finish that rivals most finishing products on most paints. On harder paint (such as Corvette's/Audi's/Mercedes Benz) I will finish with 106ff. On some paints I will finish PO85u, on some FPII, on some Meg's 80 or 82 or 09, on some OP, etc...

I will test several different final polishes on paint to see which ones gives a higher gloss to my eyes. I have found even on the same type of car (Brian and I where doing two Green Lambo Murielago's) that one paint we both agreed that PO85u finished the best, but on the other paint it was jumpy. We cycled through our collection and both agreed that 106ff finished the best on that particular paint. Both Lamborghini's where '06s.

So again, in my experience, one test one particular vehicles makes for a fun read, but presents far to little to base opinions on.

Dave1 · 03-30-08, 06:42

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Originally Posted by TH0001

I would say on that particular paint, 85RD would be the better choices. IMO, there are way too many factors involved in a question like that to even cite more that example as more then an interesting read (or use it as proof of anything) would be inappropriate.

"Jeweling" question for you Todd.....

Since Ultrafina is to be removed before it dries, is 85RD a better option to work the surface for longer periods....?

I use 3m black/gray waffle pads with UF and RD. I haven't purchaced any blue waffles as of yet. You think the blue might offer longer working times....?

Thanks.....

TH0001 · 03-30-08, 06:47

I don't think the blue is going offer you a longer play time (I also like the gray waffle pads as well). I have never had UF dry up, even after working it for over two minutes at low rpm. I don't know why the need would exist to work a polish any longer than that?

Have you had problems with UF drying up?

Dave1 · 03-30-08, 07:29

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Originally Posted by TH0001

I don't think the blue is going offer you a longer play time (I also like the gray waffle pads as well). I have never had UF dry up, even after working it for over two minutes at low rpm. I don't know why the need would exist to work a polish any longer than that?

Have you had problems with UF drying up?

Glad you asked that.....

When I first got my UF in January I was using just three small dots with a spritzed black pad and after a few passes it didn't remain wet and I posted about this and was told I wasn't using the product as it was intended. Another forum member mentioned to me to load up the pad when first starting out and that will aid in the working time.

What is your favorite speed to work UF and how much product to you like to use...?

Same question for 85RD........Thanks.....