Good hand guns

[sixty7mustang22]

Originally Posted by boogiejoe

I'm not being critical.

Originally Posted by boogiejoe

Don't think that you're gonna be Rambo with your gun...

Yeah, you aren't being critical.

Originally Posted by boogiejoe

..and shoot a guy in a crowded mall without possibly hitting someone else probably hiding behind him. Do you really think if someone is shooting a loaded weapon, that you would walk towards them instead of trying to get out of the way, or guarding your family?

I'm just saying, uh, let's be real. This ain't the movies. You may think you're an action hero.

How do you know what I will do in that situation? You don't know me what so ever. People properly use their concealed weapons when needed. Otherwise, why would the State keep letting us carry? You are also acting like nobody has ever had to use a concealed weapon before. People have been carrying concealed weapons since way before you were born and many have had to use them in a legal and proper way. So how can you act like people aren't going to use them right in the future just because you say so?

I'm not looking to go out and be a hero. I'm trying to stay alive. You never know what you can do until you get in the situation and the adrenaline gets pumping. Think about all the people that have played the "hero" part in real life. Fire fighters, police officers, Armed Frces, civilians... Trained or untrained, people make heroic choices every day. Think about the people that overtook the terrorists in the plane on 9/11 to bring it down before it hit the target. Do you think they wanted to run towards a man that just hijacked a jet and claimed he had a bomb? I bet you any money that they weren't thinking of their favorite movie at that point. Heck, they actually made a movie about THEM. Do you think those people woke up that morning and hoped they would be a hero that day? Do you think that people wake up every day hoping they get to become a hero that day. No. But do people step up in situations and become a hero? Yep. Every day. You can't tell me that you know what someone will do in a certain situation. So don't act like you can.

And think about this also. The man is unloading a semi automatic weapon on people. People are running away from him. What are the chances that someone is going to be close enough to him to catch a missed shot? Even if they are that close, the chances that they will be shot by him instead of by you are much greater.

I don't know what I would do if I was in that kind of situation. I have NO clue how I will ultimately react. But I do know that I would like to have more than one option.

Again, do what you want to do. Stop being critical of what we want to do when both are perfectly legal.

[truzoom]

Originally Posted by boogiejoe

I love all the 'self defense' reasons for carrying a firearm.

Plan on getting into a shootout? Afraid you might bump into Jesse James or Black Bart?

By all means, you should really have you gun close so you could just fire away (in self defense) at someone in public. There is nothing scarier then standing in line at a store with some crazy looking guy with a loaded 9mm. Who are you afraid of? Make sure you have enough firepower to bring down a tank when you go to buy some wax. I have guns myself, but I don't bring them out into public. I don't want to take your guns away, but I'd like to give you some brains along with them.

They are great to collect, though. Can't blame someone for that.

I think you're just trying to stir up some trouble. This thread is about "good hand guns" so let's please not venture into the politics of gun control.

[zippymbr]

Originally Posted by sixty7mustang22

Yeah, you aren't being critical.



How do you know what I will do in that situation? You don't know me what so ever. People properly use their concealed weapons when needed. Otherwise, why would the State keep letting us carry? You are also acting like nobody has ever had to use a concealed weapon before. People have been carrying concealed weapons since way before you were born and many have had to use them in a legal and proper way. So how can you act like people aren't going to use them right in the future just because you say so?

I'm not looking to go out and be a hero. I'm trying to stay alive. You never know what you can do until you get in the situation and the adrenaline gets pumping. Think about all the people that have played the "hero" part in real life. Fire fighters, police officers, Armed Frces, civilians... Trained or untrained, people make heroic choices every day. Think about the people that overtook the terrorists in the plane on 9/11 to bring it down before it hit the target. Do you think they wanted to run towards a man that just hijacked a jet and claimed he had a bomb? I bet you any money that they weren't thinking of their favorite movie at that point. Heck, they actually made a movie about THEM. Do you think those people woke up that morning and hoped they would be a hero that day? Do you think that people wake up every day hoping they get to become a hero that day. No. But do people step up in situations and become a hero? Yep. Every day. You can't tell me that you know what someone will do in a certain situation. So don't act like you can.

And think about this also. The man is unloading a semi automatic weapon on people. People are running away from him. What are the chances that someone is going to be close enough to him to catch a missed shot? Even if they are that close, the chances that they will be shot by him instead of by you are much greater.

I don't know what I would do if I was in that kind of situation. I have NO clue how I will ultimately react. But I do know that I would like to have more than one option.

Again, do what you want to do. Stop being critical of what we want to do when both are perfectly legal.

Amen! well said. Ignore Trolls who come into a conversation and try to stir the pot and get a reaction. I have had the pleasure this year of training a few friends and my own Mom in proper handgun tech and safety. I have also taken 2 large groups of non-shooters out to the range this year from my church. Now I get questions on what is a good gun, how much is it going to cost. I enjoy good conversation about guns and selfdefense. I think any man who has a family should consider a gun as part of a home/family/self defense stragety.

[TigerMike]

I really have my eye on the Springfield XD Compact, with 14 rounds of .45ACP. That is some serious lead throwing capability from one magazine! I've been looking for a 45 for a long time and have considered another Glock to go with my G32 (357Sig), which I really love.

My dad has an XD Subcompact in 9mm which shoots great and it's a very nice little package.

[boogiejoe]

OK OK.
Sorry to impose my opinions on you. I'll stop. I wasn't trying to stir up trouble. I'm from a family of law enforcement and special forces. Guns are not new to me. Feel free to say whatever you like. I'm not gonna stir anything else.
Back to the thread.

[zippymbr]

Originally Posted by TigerMike

I really have my eye on the Springfield XD Compact, with 14 rounds of .45ACP. That is some serious lead throwing capability from one magazine! I've been looking for a 45 for a long time and have considered another Glock to go with my G32 (357Sig), which I really love.

My dad has an XD Subcompact in 9mm which shoots great and it's a very nice little package.

I have a Glock 30 and I enjoy it more than my friends Kimber 1911. Everyone who shoots it has a big smile on their face afterwards. I still want a 1911 in a bad way though. I can only carry the 30 in cold weather. I would love the try out the XD, I just have a bad taste in my mouth about that line. I remember what they were before Springfield bought the company.

[truzoom]

I can chime in on the Springfield XDs, although the one I shot was an XD9.

Foremost, I think the grip on XDs is very comfortable and the weight seems evenly balanced. I don't know if this is a taboo thing, but feature-wise it feels like a Glock to me. I'm not too fond of the grip-safety, though-- mainly because I think the safe-action trigger does a good enough job. The other little features like the firing pin indicator and loaded chamber indicator are pretty useful.

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by TigerMike

I really have my eye on the Springfield XD Compact, with 14 rounds of .45ACP. That is some serious lead throwing capability from one magazine!

Just make sure the grip fits your hand properly (double-stack guns are generally a bit thick for me). Heh heh 14 rounds is a lot more than you're ever gonna need unless you plan to clear a crackhouse

And yeah, regarding the recent posts about the CCW issue....[insert my usual lecture about training here]..I'll be perfectly honest and say that most of the CCW permit holders I know would be utterly incompetent in a real-life situation. Sorry, I know how that comes across and it's certainly not directed at anybody here...but seriously (as in, dead-serious ), if your training is limited to shooting paper targets at a firing range I don't want you participating in a gunfight anywhere near me or mine. But no, I wouldn't deny you your right to CCW; just be judicious about what you try to do with that thing.

[Way2SSlow]

Originally Posted by Accumulator

Just make sure the grip fits your hand properly (double-stack guns are generally a bit thick for me). Heh heh 14 rounds is a lot more than you're ever gonna need unless you plan to clear a crackhouse

And yeah, regarding the recent posts about the CCW issue....[insert my usual lecture about training here]..I'll be perfectly honest and say that most of the CCW permit holders I know would be utterly incompetent in a real-life situation. Sorry, I know how that comes across and it's certainly not directed at anybody here...but seriously (as in, dead-serious ), if your training is limited to shooting paper targets at a firing range I don't want you participating in a gunfight anywhere near me or mine. But no, I wouldn't deny you your right to CCW; just be judicious about what you try to do with that thing.

Lessons are fun. My thoughts are to get in with as small a class as you can. Do some background on who you're taking classes from as well. There are way too many tactical gear wearing "commando" types that will send you down the wrong path with thier "great techniques." I've taken some one on one instruction which helped me out a bit with my CCW type stuff (it's amazing how hard it is to do something as simple as drawing a firearm) as well as just regular range shooting accuracy. I'm really wanting to take some more, and I plan to in 08. It's a lot harder to draw on a target than you would think when the target is standing STILL and your adrenaline isnt pumping....Just think about when the target has the ability to move!

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by Way2SSlow

Lessons are fun. My thoughts are to get in with as small a class as you can. Do some background on who you're taking classes from as well. There are way too many tactical gear wearing "commando" types that will send you down the wrong path with thier "great techniques."

Yes yes yes

.it's amazing how hard it is to do something as simple as drawing a firearm) as well as just regular range shooting accuracy.... It's a lot harder to draw on a target than you would think when the target is standing STILL and your adrenaline isnt pumping....Just think about when the target has the ability to move!

And imagine when that moving target is trying his best to kill you and there are innocent people freaking out That's why "square range" practice isn't sufficient.

I forget how many times you gotta do something like draw-and-index, and that's doing it *correctly* under realistic stress, before you get decent muscle memory, but it's in the thousands. And getting the gun out is the easy part!

OK OK, back on-topic- the above oughta factor into what your CCW choice is. Not just how you carry/access/get hits with it, but whether you can clear a malfunction, etc. under stress [oh, OK...insert quip about Glocks/SIGs/HKs never malfunctioning here...I know what you guys are thinking ]

[zippymbr]

Originally Posted by Accumulator

Yes yes yes




And imagine when that moving target is trying his best to kill you and there are innocent people freaking out That's why "square range" practice isn't sufficient.

I forget how many times you gotta do something like draw-and-index, and that's doing it *correctly* under realistic stress, before you get decent muscle memory, but it's in the thousands. And getting the gun out is the easy part!

OK OK, back on-topic- the above oughta factor into what your CCW choice is. Not just how you carry/access/get hits with it, but whether you can clear a malfunction, etc. under stress [oh, OK...insert quip about Glocks/SIGs/HKs never malfunctioning here...I know what you guys are thinking ]

My range has a pit where you can practice all kinds of situational shooting. Not just straight ahead paper punching. It is a real challenge to draw and fire quickly and with any degree of accuracy.

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by zippymbr

My range has a pit where you can practice all kinds of situational shooting. Not just straight ahead paper punching. It is a real challenge to draw and fire quickly and with any degree of accuracy.

Glad to hear your range has something like that

Yeah, drawing and getting hits (quickly) takes a lot of work, especially with a carry (vs. competition) holster and in street clothes. The good news is that while shooting is a perishable skill, once you really *get it down* a lot of it becomes very ingrained. It's interesting to get evaluated after not having shot for an extended period (e.g., a draw-fire with no practice of any kind- just one chance to do it)...some people retain more skill than others, but nobody who was ever *good* at it has to start back at zero IME.

Heh heh, try the draw/fire after doing a tough round of calisthenics and having a buddy shove you, slap your face a few times, or something like that to get you out of your normal comfort zone. Then have somebody rig the gun to malfunction (in a way you don't know if it will/won't)..some people get rattled and freeze for a moment (going "what the..." ) and it's good to get in the habit of immediately TCB if the gun quits working. Heh heh, that once-a-lifetime dud round will happen when somebody's shooting at you