Member that new car I was looking into...

[ZoranC]

Originally Posted by Accumulator

Eh..can't generalize too much about this auto/manual thing because different cars are different. Might as well throw comparisons completely out the window anyhow as the driver makes *all* the difference, especially with a manual, and even the best drivers blow it now and then.

That is true. However, I was feeling we were discussing apples to apples because we were discussing Supra auto vs Supra manual while assuming driver is not a variable. I have found this behavior to be consistent as long as I was comparing same car model with everything same except for transmission type.

Originally Posted by Accumulator

And everybody oughta keep in mind that this is Series1's first serious car. There's *SOOOOO* much to master behind the wheel that an auto makes a lot of sense in this case.

Definitely! And I hope he too will keep that in mind. Yes, it's figures at stock level are not leading the pack of bragging rights nowadays (they were quite fine when it came to market almost 15 years ago) but engine in it revs smooth, revs up real fast, and torque comes very fast too (stock twin turbos in it operate in sequential mode). It is more than enough to put person from zero to trouble in no time flat, trust me (and don't ask me how I know). Supra in stock form has a potential to be beast but good news is that it does not tend to try to kill it's driver.

[Accumulator]

Originally Posted by ZoranC

.. I was feeling we were discussing apples to apples because we were discussing Supra auto vs Supra manual while assuming driver is not a variable...

Yeah, OK, I agree with that. From what I've heard the Supra is just one of those turbo applications that work well with an automatic. I was really referring to across-the-board comparisons between the two types of transmissions.

And yeah#2 on the stock twin setup. I kinda about guys who convert to a huge single turbo..good for bragging rights perhaps, and whatever makes you happy....but it's not something I'd want to drive on the street.

And yeah#3 about cars that are fun-fast but aren't always trying to bite the driver.

[ZoranC]

Originally Posted by Accumulator

And yeah#2 on the stock twin setup. I kinda about guys who convert to a huge single turbo..good for bragging rights perhaps, and whatever makes you happy....but it's not something I'd want to drive on the street.

Yes, it is all about what person is into. If one is into heavy drag racing or pulls from the roll big turbo will benefit them as it flows more on top end than two smaller ones and they can spool it up before launching or are already close in exhaust flow to be able to spool it up relatively quick. Like you said, that comes with compromise with how it will drive on the street. It will be either majority, if not all, of the time in the "off boost" or it will be major irritation / uncontrollable. Good news with Supra is that it is very easy to achieve 400-ish hp on stock setup while retaining all of the driveability.