honda or toyota? - Page 3

Pontman43 · 10-06-05, 10:58

Both are great, if new then Honda because of reasonably priced new and hold value extremely good, if used Toyota can find them much cheaper than Hondas and less miles. Both are really reliable.

Flynn · 10-06-05, 11:03

I've owned both Honda's and Toyota's and the differences (as I see them are)

Honda == reliable, safe, slightly flimsy, engine's go for ever but you need to rev the hell out of them to get anything
Toyota == reliable, safe, solid, engine's have more mid-range and less power at the extreme

Both make good cars. I prefer Toyota. I like my cars solid. (And the 400bhp is nice as well!)

Picus · 10-06-05, 11:09

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Originally Posted by SpoiledMan

The VQ in this Nissan Murano I'm driving right now as a rental sure doesn't feel like it has gobs of torque. As a matter of fact, my Honda van seems like a racecar in comparison. It's a nice engine but I have *NEVER* heard pinging from any of my Honda cars no matter what kind of gas was in them. This thing pings regularly. I wont even mention the CVT tranny that's in it.

Well I hate to shrug it off as anecdotal evidence from a rental, but I am going to. It's just as likely you could have grabbed a Pilot rental and it would have been a pile of junk. I've yet to be in a rental that wasn't in some way horribly abused. Same applies to the crummy mpg. The VQ is pretty average in terms of mpg - my 280hp/270tq vq gets 22 mpg religiously, not bad I think - of course the murano weighs 500 lbs more, so 17 probably isn't too far off. The 3.5l VQ has produced as much as 280lb of torque as low as 4,000 rpm - for a 6cly with 3.5l of dispacement that can be found in cars as cheap as $22k, it's a pretty 'torque-y' engine. If you can find me a sedan in the 25, 30, and 35k segment with as much low end torque as nissan/infiniti offerings, I will give you a cookie.

I hate quoting mags, but 11 years in a row on Wards 10 best engines says something.

As for pinging, well do we really want to go there? We all have tons of anecdotal evidence of problems with cars. As much as I like Hondas they've had their share of problems too *cough* Accord/TL tranny *cough*.

Not trying to start an argument or anything. I like hondas, but I've yet to be in one that felt at all torque-y, it's not exactly something they're known for - sounds like you got a gem of an Odyssey.

SpoiledMan · 10-06-05, 01:11

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Originally Posted by Picus

sounds like you got a gem of an Odyssey.

Wont respond to the rest.

As for the Odyssey, it hasn't lost a review yet!

awdirtdrifter · 10-06-05, 01:27

Grassroots Motorsports Magazine took an Odyssey to the track (Barber Motorsports Track) where it did very well. They were so impressed they said they would consider taking it to a track event if it was't a minivan. Besides its performance, they could carry a whole bunch of stuff/crew and it was simply reliable. They had taken it to an autocross before that, where it bested the Porsche 356 and Jaguar E-Type (in their words, "two of history's best sports cars").

SpoiledMan · 10-06-05, 01:50

Hey, did you say Honda and rental in the same sentence? They don't do fleet sales to rental companies so good luck finding one.

Yeah, the Odyssey is that good. It's rather fun to drive. When we first got it neither me or the wife wanted it to drive everyday. After a couple weeks, we were making any old excuse to have it.

P.S. The second generation Legend's are on the rather torquey side.

accordmaniac · 10-06-05, 02:00

They are both good brands. The interior of my Civic have some cheap feeling plastic and carpet but it's a decent car overall. My mom's Camry has a high quality interior, smooth ride, and smooth engine but it looks cliche and it doesn't come with a lot of standard features which i think should of came standard such as ABS and side airbags, both of which we had to pay for as options. But if you're considering Japanese brands only then you should take a look at Nissan. My dad's 2000 quest was value packed for the price he paid compared to the Odesseys and Siennas in that vintage. And it hasn't given us much problems except for regular maintenance.

Picus · 10-06-05, 02:29

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Originally Posted by SpoiledMan

Hey, did you say Honda and rental in the same sentence? They don't do fleet sales to rental companies so good luck finding one.

No kidding? Weird, I had an Acura MDX rental in BC this year. Maybe Acura operates differently than Honda, although I that would be odd. As an aside I really liked the MDX. If I was going to buy an SUV it would probably be a contender.

SpoiledMan · 10-06-05, 02:41

Yeah cool ride and my wife wants one. I didn't say you *wouldn't* find one, I said good luck. They had to buy that MDX just like you or I would. I used to deal with one salesman for both Honda's and Acura's and he was an oldtimer in the dealer. The MDX is one of those Honda's that kept at or above window for a long run and that's one of the reasons we don't have one already. This far along(new design next year) we can just wait for the next one.

Edison_Chen · 10-06-05, 03:06

Both are really good cars..

Depend which category your looking at...

Corey Bit Spank · 10-06-05, 03:10

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Originally Posted by Picus

Yes. Same reason I'm a Nissan fan. The VQ engine has gobs of torque and is in almost every one of their cars from the Altima, to the Maxima, to the G35, to the M35. It's an incredible engine, and like Subaru they seem to be geared more towards performance and "fun to drive" than just reliable econo-boxes.

The VQ runs out of power quickly in the higher rev range. I don't know why they continue to put it in "sports" cars since I have never found it very sporty. Sigh. What good marketing will do....

Picus · 10-06-05, 03:26

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Originally Posted by Corey Bit Spank

The VQ runs out of power quickly in the higher rev range. I don't know why they continue to put it in "sports" cars since I have never found it very sporty. Sigh. What good marketing will do....

Edit. I thought better of taking this too far OT. All I will say is I own an RSX-S along with my G35, and a higher redline does not a sports car make. A flat curve from 2400-6600 is much more desirable than a curve that peaks and remains flat from only 5500-8000 redline. You might be talking about HP, in which case the VQ peaks around 5000, but there is no drop until within 100 rpms of redline. And please try to be a little less condscending with the marketing comments in the future. Remember, these are forums, and you don't know everything. Assuming everyone who likes the VQ has been fooled by Mr. Nismo is a little short-sighted.