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Old 02-03-09, 11:14   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Windshield Crack, repair or replace?

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I agree. I've NEVER witnessed or heard of 1 vehicle/accident that resulted in more damage because it had a so-called "Aftermarket" piece of glass in it. If your vehicle gets hit that hard that the the kind of windshield in it is helping you, you're screwed anyways. If that was the case, do you really think your insurance company would open themselves up to that kind of liability?
You really haven't? WINDSHIELD REPLACEMENT SAFETY

The courts have been and are full of suits against insurers that have forced aftermarket parts to repair vehicles. State Farm was the first to be hit as far back as 1999 and there have been many since including Progressive and Farmers of late. See here: Are you entitled to brand-name repair parts? Know your OEM rights

The thing to keep in mind is that you are not just putting glass in front of your face to keep the bugs and rain from spatting you. Your windshield is a critical safety item on your vehicle. But hey, if you don't care if they use questionable parts it's your choice to make.

Also note that if you lease you may well find that you must use OEM glass or forfeit your security deposit when you turn in your vehicle. That's because aftermarket parts, historically, have been proven not of like kind and quality to OEM.

Insurance companies are being hit with lawsuits often enough that they are trying to change their plans.
Auto Insurance Industry Wants New "OEM" Policy - Same Coverage / More Money ! ! !

You don't have to google too hard to come up with dozens of reasons to not be fond of aftermarket parts. Here are just a few off the first page.

LeakPro Official Website

AutoMuse: Avery v. State Farm and Aftermarket Parts the Basis for Class Action Tort Reform?

After market versus OEM parts: The issue is choice | Rough Notes | Find Articles at BNET

https://www.autobody.net/index.php?o...readed&catid=5

Auto Insurance Industry Wants New "OEM" Policy - Same Coverage / More Money ! ! !

http://www.ultrabond.com/safetyreport.pdf

Insurance Consumer Advocate Network: Links to required reading articles.
 
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Old 02-03-09, 12:34   #14 (permalink)
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jfelbab - All those links are about A/M body panels (crash parts) & windshield installation. That has nothing to do with OEM vs. A/M glass. ALL GLASS IS AFTERMARKET. There's not a car manufacturer that makes their own glass (Ford use to). They all buy from aftermarket suppliers. The only difference is if the glass has a OE name plate (GM / Ford / Chrysler / Toyota / etc) on it or not . They are identical in every other way. All windshields are required to have an AS1 rating and be DOT approved.
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jfelbab - All those links are about A/M body panels (crash parts) & windshield installation. That has nothing to do with OEM vs. A/M glass. ALL GLASS IS AFTERMARKET. There's not a car manufacturer that makes their own glass (Ford use to). They all buy from aftermarket suppliers. The only difference is if the glass has a OE name plate (GM / Ford / Chrysler / Toyota / etc) on it or not . They are identical in every other way. All windshields are required to have an AS1 rating and be DOT approved.
Sorry Dave, but my uncle works for PPG and he tells me differently. PPG makes both OEM and aftermarket glass. They are not made in the same plant. OEM glass is slow annealed for one thing and aftermarket glass is not. That's one reason aftermarket glass has more stress cracking and chips easier. It is not, in fact, the same quality glass. Slow annealing takes longer so production is slower, hence it is more expensive.

Aftermarket windshield glass is made from a copy of a mold of an OEM windshield, not from the windshield’s original mold in the factory. Just so you understand what the OEM term means in this glass arena. So aftermarket windshields may not be to the exact dimensions or the glass may be too thin or have distortions. This results in leaks, increased road noise, and possible failure of the glass in an accident.

I really don't see much difference in any of the aftermarket junk be it body panels or glass. It's cheaper and there is a reason it is cheaper. I posted all those links as evidence that aftermarket is not the same qualitywise as OEM and these links point that out with some clarity.

But listen, if you want to believe differently be my guest. I don't really care. I choose not to risk my life or my family's on aftermarket crap.

Guess you chose to go with aftermarket. Drive carefully.
 
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I really don't see much difference in any of the aftermarket junk be it body panels or glass. It's cheaper and there is a reason it is cheaper. I posted all those links as evidence that aftermarket is not the same qualitywise as OEM and these links point that out with some clarity.

But listen, if you want to believe differently be my guest. I don't really care. I choose not to risk my life or my family's on aftermarket crap.

Guess you chose to go with aftermarket. Drive carefully.
It's not accurate to compare sheetmetal to glass. A/M glass is cheaper because you're cutting out the middle man = The Car Manufacturer. Many A/M sheetmetal parts are notorious for being inferior(for several reasons). That's why only a few insurance companies(Geico/Progressive/Allstate) choose to utilize them. Most don't, including the one I work for. Glass on the other hand, is totally different. Every insurance company(well maybe not Chubb) will opt to go with non-dealership(A/M) glass unless your vehicle falls under their mileage/age guidelines. Do you really think insurance companies would open themselves up to this liability? Provide me with info showing a lawsuit where an insurance company was sued because the A/M glass they allowed failed during a crash. Make sure that improper installation isn't the reason either. Until then, I'll have a totally clear concience about all the A/M glass I adjusted for.
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