more GTR trickery

[Picus]

Hm, I wouldn't consider the NSX a fad. People still buy and love those today. They're freakishly reliable and still sell for a decent amount. The GT-R, if I had to guess, will be selling for 40% of it's value in two years and will likely be riddled with issues. But that's just my guess.

gtpaul - what I find really interesting is that Nissan kept taking shots at Porsche, but Porsche is the one with a launch control system that works.

[rcalcaide]

Originally Posted by TH0001

To me the most important flop on the GTR is the absolutely terrible build quality. I have detailed two of these, both had 'impressions' on the C panels like the protective film was pressed onto wet paint.

Both had miscolored gas caps

One had severe water etching...

But here is the main thing... .How can a 480 hp, 3800lb run 11s? It cannot. Magazines can even replicate the original acceleration runs. The cars were obvious ringers (I think Motor Trend dynoed the original cars at 470 hp to the wheels where production models are about 410hp)...

The build quality on the GT-R is actually quite good. Any car sitting at the Jacksonville port for extended period of time as the GT-R's where when first released, will get water etching. The fit and finish of my GT-R is comparable to my 996 turbo. Have you seen what Aston Martin's look like when they are delivered? Overspray and orange peel straight from the factory!

As for the GT-R running 11s? check the web or youtube. There are a lot of production GT-Rs running in the 11's without launch control with proof of time slips.

How to hit high/mid 11s bone stock without LC, over and over... - NAGTROC - The Nissan GT-R Owners Club

What is the GT-R’s Real Horsepower? - Column/Larry Webster/C/D Staff/Columns/Features/Car and Driver - Car And Driver


So, Just How Slow is a Nissan GT-R Without Launch Control Engaged? | Car News Blog at Motor Trend

Motortrend got 12.2 for the 1/4 w/o launch control, and Im sure they werent trying.

Again though, the GT-R wasnt made to be a quarter mile car, but a true world class track car that can be driven daily. It puts up all around impressive numbers.
It is Motor trends car of the year, Automobile Magazine Automobile of the year, EVO Mag's car of the year. All GT-R's are ringers I guess!!!


"It exists for one reason and one reason only-to kick holy ***. And kick *** it does. You don't have to like it. You just have to stay the hell out of its way."

2009 Automobile of the Year: 2009 Nissan GT-R - Latest News, Features, and Reviews - Automobile Magazine

2009 Nissan GT-R - The 2009 Motor Trend Car of the Year Winner is the Nissan GT-R - Motor Trend

[Picus]

Build quality and reliability are two different things. I hope the cars are reliable, but initial evidence suggests otherwise. No one will know for a few years though.

Have you had any maintenance on yours yet, rcalcaide?

[TH0001]

The two I have worked on had impressions on the C-pillars from the shipping film application. GMBlack's had this as well. 3 out of 6 that I know about.

I did a black GTR for one of the owners of NAGTROC and a)he was great guy b)his car was awesome c)it was screwed up.

I'd still take one, I love them... BUT the build quality is far less IME then that of a Corvette, and we already know (despited AMAZING performance) that Corvette's are ridiculed for their quality.

[NCZ13]

For anyone who doubts the performance of this car look at this forum on nagtroc

NAGTROC - The Nissan GT-R Owners Club -> Drag Strip

plenty of members who are running mid 11s bone stock w/ no launch control.

a mild tune, free flowing exhaust, and some race gas, the car does high 10s.

its absolutely brilliant piece of technology, and puts any purpose built drag race car (the kind of cars you see on the show Pinks) to shame. Full interior, runs 11s/high 10s, goes around corners, AND you can drive it to home/work/school etc.

all for under 100k (not taking into account dealership premiums)
supercar killer? I think so.

[BigJimZ28]

why would a purpose built drag car
need a full interior or be a corner carver?

so a $80,000 car
puts a $10,000 drag car to shame?...wow thanks for the news flash

[David Fermani]

Put a 150 shot on a bone stock C5 Z-06 and go real low 10's. There's also a couple guys with bolt-on (no internal components - N/A) going low 11's. An all wheel drive 450+ TT car that goes 11's does'nt impress me all that much. Neither does all the horrendous paint quality issues I've seen posted here either.

[NCZ13]

my point is that the GTR is doing everything nissan said it would. no trickery.

[Picus]

Well, except launch control.

[RedlineIRL]

The GTR is a POS. Before it came out I thought it might be an impressive car. After seeing all of the problems that others have had and the car not being able to perform as advetied without voiding the warranty, the car is a let down. It was claimed to beat the Z06, which it can't. I think it would have a hard time taking down a bolt on C6.

[spike_africa]

I read LC will be taken out for the next cars. I guess people being mad about those 20k tranny bills made them look for a way out of that.

Cool car and all, but come on it comes with a traction control button they don't want you to touch it or you loose your warranty, **** that.

[rydawg]

It's a shame that Nissan will not fix these trans. in these few cars that are broken.
I can already see the issues with having one of these cars at a non Nissan dealer and having some careless employee taking it out in the parking lot and trying LC just for fun. The warranty would be void without the customer even knowing.

Lawyers will be very busy with this car on many aspects.

Nissan has to resolve this issue with the broken transmissions, regardless if there was a contract with LC. If they installed the self destruct button that would blow it up, then they should be liable, especially for the hefty price tag of this car.

Nissan knows they have to fix them and that is why they are removing the system from the next models.

We shall see what the future brings to these cars and the issues. I can't wait to see when the first person blows an engine and Nissan says "NO WAY"! How much will it cost?

Personally, if I was in the Market to buy a high end sports car, it would be a Porsche.